D&D Monster Challenge Ratings

Avatar · 10-10-2001, 04:13 PM

I was looking through 3rd Edition.
Is Gold Dragon Great Wyrm the hardest? It has a CR of 26!
Why is Demogorgan not in there and Elminster. I suppose they are individual char... but where can I find their stats?
Also these Nightcrawlers seem quite tough! With Cr in 18 or 19!
Also, it seems the Demons (Tannarii) are much more deadly than Devils (Batezzu).
Why is this?

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10-10-2001, 04:18 PM

As far as i know Red dragons are always about as strong as Gold ones

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Avatar · 10-10-2001, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Rikard:
As far as i know Red dragons are always about as strong as Gold ones

Not in 3rd Edition! Red Dragons come 3rd After Gold Dragons. Titans also come close. They seem quite weak to me! Solars come after Titans! **GASP**

10-10-2001, 04:27 PM

Damn and i liked the way that good and evil was balanced
Maybe i should get monster manual too....

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Prime2U · 10-10-2001, 04:51 PM

I've seen challenge ratings as high as 45...Demogorgon for example. Try http://www.creaturecatalog.com for 200 or so conversions of monsters to 3E rules

Avatar · 10-10-2001, 04:53 PM

But is the 45 2nd efition??

Tuor · 10-10-2001, 05:39 PM

What happened to the big dinosaur monster, what's it bloody called..........it's a unique creature in 2nd edition and was responsible for kicking my party's arse on more than one occasion (we ran away twice and finally got it-with four out of six dead on the third attempt).

Its on the tip of my tongue ....

I think it began with a T

IT WAS A TRASQUE. (sp?)

Got there in the end.

Wulfere · 10-10-2001, 06:08 PM

The challenge ratings can be altered by the situations as well. The addition of bad terrain or other items to make the fight more difficult for the characters can greatly effect the CR for any monster. I have encountered a Great Red Wyrm and I will tell you it is not fun.

The demons are more powerful, but because of their chaotic nature they are less effective in the Blood War than are the Devils who are very disciplined and act in concert.

Elminster and Demogorgon are unique characters. Elminster should not have CR since he is basically on the characters side and a motivator.

2nd edition AD&D didn't have CR's. They simply had experiance points for each creature and you added them together.

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Avatar · 10-11-2001, 03:23 AM

I AM REALLY CONFUSED!

If 2nd Edition didn't have a CR, then why does my monster manual only have CRs going upto 26?? When clearly many monsters have CR in the 40s.

Oh Tuor: It is a Tarasque . It has a CR of 18 ish and it has size collossal. It is the oNLY one alive.

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Wulfere · 10-11-2001, 07:47 AM

Personally I find the CR business in 3E a little confusing. I haven't run any of it yet, but I do play every thursday evening.

I will talk to my friend who has written freelance for TSR/Wizards and see what he says about the CR's then get back to you.

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10-10-2001, 04:13 PM	#1
Avatar Vampire Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: Cambridge Age: 40 Posts: 3,877	I was looking through 3rd Edition. Is Gold Dragon Great Wyrm the hardest? It has a CR of 26! Why is Demogorgan not in there and Elminster. I suppose they are individual char... but where can I find their stats? Also these Nightcrawlers seem quite tough! With Cr in 18 or 19! Also, it seems the Demons (Tannarii) are much more deadly than Devils (Batezzu). Why is this? ------------------ Creator and Diamond Bladesinger of ALSB Body Guard of Lioness Winner of EPSRC 2000 Science Website is @ http://www.epsrc-sciencerace.net/schools2000/534121/ My own Forgotten Realms Website is @ http://www.forgottenrealms.main-page.com[/list]

10-11-2001, 03:23 AM	#9
Avatar Vampire Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: Cambridge Age: 40 Posts: 3,877	I AM REALLY CONFUSED! If 2nd Edition didn't have a CR, then why does my monster manual only have CRs going upto 26?? When clearly many monsters have CR in the 40s. Oh Tuor: It is a Tarasque . It has a CR of 18 ish and it has size collossal. It is the oNLY one alive. ------------------ Creator and Diamond Bladesinger of ALSB Body Guard of Lioness Winner of EPSRC 2000 Science Website is @ http://www.epsrc-sciencerace.net/schools2000/534121/ My own Forgotten Realms Website is @ http://www.forgottenrealms.main-page.com[/list]

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10-10-2001, 04:18 PM	#2
Rikard Guest Posts: n/a	As far as i know Red dragons are always about as strong as Gold ones ------------------ Behold he who stands before you Almighty (shared) Leader of the OHF Proud member of the Ancients Club The one True Necromancer/Blade of the Laughing Hyena's Last of the Ancient race known as the Red Fluffies Summoner of Bunnies Official Register of the Top Posters; "You can Run, You can Hide, But you can never do both" I'm Watching you... Spam Sentinal too... OMG i have to control Cloudy...

10-10-2001, 04:27 PM	#4
Rikard Guest Posts: n/a	Damn and i liked the way that good and evil was balanced Maybe i should get monster manual too.... ------------------ Behold he who stands before you Almighty (shared) Leader of the OHF Proud member of the Ancients Club The one True Necromancer/Blade of the Laughing Hyena's Last of the Ancient race known as the Red Fluffies Summoner of Bunnies Official Register of the Top Posters; "You can Run, You can Hide, But you can never do both" I'm Watching you... Spam Sentinal too... OMG i have to control Cloudy...

10-10-2001, 04:51 PM	#5
Prime2U Zhentarim Guard Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Manhattan,KS USA Posts: 316	I've seen challenge ratings as high as 45...Demogorgon for example. Try http://www.creaturecatalog.com for 200 or so conversions of monsters to 3E rules

10-10-2001, 04:53 PM	#6
Avatar Vampire Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: Cambridge Age: 40 Posts: 3,877	But is the 45 2nd efition??

10-10-2001, 05:39 PM	#7
Tuor Elminster Join Date: June 17, 2001 Location: england Posts: 409	What happened to the big dinosaur monster, what's it bloody called..........it's a unique creature in 2nd edition and was responsible for kicking my party's arse on more than one occasion (we ran away twice and finally got it-with four out of six dead on the third attempt). Its on the tip of my tongue .... I think it began with a T IT WAS A TRASQUE. (sp?) Got there in the end.

10-10-2001, 06:08 PM	#8
Wulfere Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska USA Age: 63 Posts: 893	The challenge ratings can be altered by the situations as well. The addition of bad terrain or other items to make the fight more difficult for the characters can greatly effect the CR for any monster. I have encountered a Great Red Wyrm and I will tell you it is not fun. The demons are more powerful, but because of their chaotic nature they are less effective in the Blood War than are the Devils who are very disciplined and act in concert. Elminster and Demogorgon are unique characters. Elminster should not have CR since he is basically on the characters side and a motivator. 2nd edition AD&D didn't have CR's. They simply had experiance points for each creature and you added them together. ------------------ The line between good and evil is razor sharp. Be careful of misteps, lest you find yourself spitted upon your own blade. [This message has been edited by Wulfere (edited 10-10-2001).]

10-11-2001, 07:47 AM	#10
Wulfere Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: March 20, 2001 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska USA Age: 63 Posts: 893	Personally I find the CR business in 3E a little confusing. I haven't run any of it yet, but I do play every thursday evening. I will talk to my friend who has written freelance for TSR/Wizards and see what he says about the CR's then get back to you. ------------------ The line between good and evil is razor sharp. Be careful of misteps, lest you find yourself spitted upon your own blade.

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