06-15-2001, 01:30 PM | #91 | |
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Paragraph 1 from above: My thoughts exactly! I'm not the one that has caused the crime. Why am I being should I be punished form what someone else does? Paragraph 2 from above: I don't mind a background check or a short waiting period. I also think training is a good idea. I DO mind the fact that the Government wants to keep a record on me because I have a firearm. Why would they want to do this? I know that the Hitler used records such as these to confiscate the firearms of law abiding Jews prior to WWII. The former Soviet Union also did this in Estonia and Latvia as recently as the late 80s and 90s, while trying to keep those two countries with in the old USSR. Paragraph 3 from above: I wonder about this also, but it's just not Rikard. Others here don't seem to like him either. Give him a chance to be President for a while and see what he can do. He still doesn't have his cabinet in place yet. Is the killer statement because he allowed executions in Texas? So do most states in the Union. And a majority of our people favor them. He was and is following the will of the people in this country. Wasn't that what we elected him for? Bill Clinton is the same way BTW. Arkansas is a death penalty state and I believe they carried out executions under his watch as Governor there. Just my opinion and I don't wishto step on anyones toes. Have a nice day! ------------------ Sir Taliesin If they take my gun can I still use my Axe? |
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06-15-2001, 02:52 PM | #92 | |
Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom
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Anyway, the scrip at Deut 19:11-13 says: "But in case there should happen to be a man hating his fellowman, and he has lain in wait for him and has risen up against him and struck his soul fatally and he has died, and the man has fled to one of these cities, the older men of the city must then send and take him from there, and they must deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood and he must die. Your eye should not feel sorry for him, and you must clear away the guilt of innocent blood out of Israel, that you may have good." Can't argue with that very much, can you? Since you seemed to be implying that vengeance was wrong in the eyes of god, how about these snippets: "Vengeance is mine, and retribution..." Deut 32:35 "The Lord has a day of vengeance..." Isaiah 34:8 "..to proclaim a day of vengeance..." Isaiah 61:2 "... the revelation of the lord Jesus Christ from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance..." 2 Thessalonians 1:7,8. Cant argue much with those either. Which is one of the reasons why I do not approve of god. Any god. ------------------ |
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06-15-2001, 02:58 PM | #93 | |
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06-15-2001, 03:14 PM | #94 |
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Jabidas, the song you're referring to was - I don't like Mondays by the Boomtown Rats/Bob Geldoff. The girl went to school on a Monday morning and shot the shit out of her classmates. When asked why she did it she replied: "because I don't like Mondays."
Personally I think quoting the bible is a lost cause as it contains far too many contradictions; ie "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". As compared to; "Turn the other cheek". My 2c is all. ------------------ It's bleedin dark down here, slippery too. Man, that's a pisser. |
06-15-2001, 05:02 PM | #95 |
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Its really beyond me how you cant understand the danger of letting any moron by a gun, when someone has a gun there is a willingness to use it and having all forms of media saying its ok and not really showing the negative consequences only showing how its ok you get people out of nowwhere using guns and big surprise their hardly all going to be rational balanced individual are they. When you give people that kind of power, to kill without effort or skill your putting the power into the hands of any idiot, any pissed off antisocial loser can take out his vengance and all their shown about that situation is some insane gunfreak with more ak47s than brain cells talking crap about right to protect themselves on tv and its ok because its on tv. Despise that guy with his knife in japan but know that it took skill, if those weirdo columbine kids had to pull their stunt with knifes it would have been gameover so fast it wouldnt have benn funny. Understand that if you think your okay with guns because your a good member of society and completley sane and would never hurt someone thats one thing another is selling guns to some physo for killing the hospital workers he thinks looked down on him by the way he has just as much right to them as you do. Selling guns to all and sundry is like voluntering to go skipping in a minefield.
The killings I mentioned were the first big media feeding frenzy ones ------------------ |
06-15-2001, 05:29 PM | #96 | |
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06-15-2001, 05:40 PM | #97 | |
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'Eye for an eye' was daddy's law, 'turn the other cheek' was the son's law. Now, if one was of the same mind as the other, as Jesus statement implies, how come the contradictory statements?!? The fact that one is OT and the other NT is NOT the issue, lol! ------------------ |
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06-15-2001, 05:44 PM | #98 | |
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Anyhow Gods "Vengance" aside from being more patient and slower to arouse response than Karmic consequence is overshadowed by forgiveness, patience and Grace. Time and time again God "held off vengance" because of the requests of one or two people (Lot, Jonah re. Nineveh etc etc..). Then there is the whole Christ cruicifixion stuff which hardly heralds a vengeful and destuctive God who doesn't care about creation, but rather indicates the opposite. Jimbo, yes it is a human that pulls the trigger behind the gun, but come on! What else does a gun exist for other than to destroy another human? It is an object of pure death. It serves no other purpose than destruction. The bottom line is that with a gun, a child can kill ten or more adults. With a knife a child would merely injure one or two adults if at all. ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! |
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06-15-2001, 06:01 PM | #99 | |
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In the old testament the Jews are Gods children - the new includes the gentiles. The old requires sacrifices - the new has Jesus as the final eternal sacrifice. The old requires a priesthood to intercede for the people - the new allows personal relationship with God (the ripping of the temple curtain symbolised this for example). The old speaks of rewards in thsi life and doesn't even speak of an afterlife except for the vague "Sheol" - The new speaks of eternal life/Heaven. Both "laws" as you put it were both daddys and sonnys. As I said, "an eye for an eye" was recommended justice for the Jews. I am not a Jew under Jewish law. I am under Christ's Grace so I aim (though I often fail miserably) to adhere to the radical attitude proposal of "turning the other cheek". I'm afraid it certainly IS the issue LOL ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! [This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 06-15-2001).] |
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06-15-2001, 07:12 PM | #100 | |
Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom
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Yes, your points are valid, in so far as they go. The OT was for the Jews, the NT was for all mankind who wanted it. Laws differ for different situations/people. Seems fine until you think about it. But scripture says 'god does not change' and that there are 'two unchangeable things, his word and his law'. The two statements quoted above - eye for eye/turn the other cheek - are diametrically opposed, regardless of circumstances, and are totally at odds with god being 'unchanging'. Take a look at the attitudes in the OT. Compare with attitudes in the Book of Revelation. You will see the same god. Take a look at the 4 gospels and you will see a person who is SO unlike the OT/Revelation god it is no wonder the Jewish reliious heirachy hated him! Jesus was a nice bloke. God was not. Their attitudes opposing are clarified by the eye for eye/turn the other cheek statements. IMHO! Oh, and actually the NT no more speaks of man's future in heaven than the OT does. SOME were to go to heaven, MOST were to 'inherit the earth and dwell forever upon it' ------------------ |
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