02-06-2002, 01:43 PM | #11 |
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The History Channel is running an episode of "The History of Sex" dealing with the history behind the christian based churches throughout history..And dove tails well with what Garnet just posted. It is an honest historical look at some of the efforts the church and governments have made toward regulating sex and sexuality..and on their efforts to prevent and punish..."unnatural" acts.
Just thought the show was a timely one for this thread, I saw it last night. |
02-06-2002, 01:45 PM | #12 |
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quote: No, MagiK, I think it is being asked is pedophilia (in this instance only) a by-product of celibacy within a close community. Otherwise, I agree with you and would use a whole lot stronger language if we were discussing it over coffee!
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02-06-2002, 02:00 PM | #13 |
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uhh I forgot to address the issue of what should be done when this type of thing occours.
A quick merciful death is probably the best thing for the community affected by these types of predators..but if left to my own devices, the person in question wouldnt get off that easy. I think a slow, painful death is way more fitting..(I may be biased due to being a parent) Of course that would be vengence and well religiously we are supposed to leave that to the lord.....still..... |
02-06-2002, 02:06 PM | #14 |
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I've often wondered--and perhaps one of you can come up with a historical account--what would happen if the punishment were left to the victims. Presumably some would forgive but also would not want other children to suffer the same fate. Should a punishment such as castration be enacted--though that would not always work as there are still ways to victimize and torture others without sexual organs and it could also lead to sadastic resentment......
What, indeed, would be a fitting punishment? If 'left to God', these people will continue their acts. A few may finally see the error and genuinely feel remorse and shame (and make recompense), but of the total, how many would not?
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02-06-2002, 02:26 PM | #15 |
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quote: I think it would be kind of cruel to make the victims think of the punishment, afterall they are by definition too young to have to be facing these sorts of issues...Children should not have to worry or suffer about adults abusing them. |
02-06-2002, 02:34 PM | #16 |
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I have a simple way of looking at this situation. In these cases where Ecclesiastical Law may conflict with Criminal or Civil Law (as generally exists in a state with reasonable Human Rights protection), then the Civil and Criminal Law takes precedence.
If the Church Authorities collude to cover up crimes, then it is reasonable to charge those so acting with conspiracy.
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02-06-2002, 02:35 PM | #17 |
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quote: I would agree with you in general, but I was thinking more of the victims mentioned in the cases (originally in this post and others in Boston) who are a little older. ::shrugs:: I didn't mean for them to think up the punishment, I just wonder what their idea of justice would consist of.......... Children should *never* be made to suffer or be abused, period. But it's a sad fact of life that some are. No matter how vigilant the rest of us are, there is always a predator waiting to strike.
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quote: Bravo! Two points I'll make.. celibacy does not *force* a person to do anything. It is an INDIVIDUAL choice based on the person's needs/wants/religious beliefs/philosophy, what have you. Celibacy does not lead to pedophilia for goodness sake! How many NON church member pedophiles are there, hmm? What I think happens is that we are especially shocked when someone in a position of trust with children, betrays that trust. Think of daycare centers where workers molest children! I agree, anyone in a position of authority or trust is someone we don't want to see take up hurting children (or anyone else for that matter)! Cloudy
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quote: I agree 100% Cloudy. |
02-06-2002, 10:38 PM | #20 |
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quote: I don't believe in institutionalised celibacy for Priests. It is not Biblical, and should be a personal choice. Paul recommends being single, yet allows for marriage, and so should the Roman Catholic Church IMO. Almost every other Christian denomination allows Preachers and Pastors to marry, and recognise the importance of family support to a ministry. Whether the said celibacy causes pedophilia or not is not something I have an opinion on. |
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