06-11-2003, 05:35 AM | #71 |
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Anyway, I think America has got a lot of freedoms, sure, and I've lived all over the world. Here in Thailand we've got some censorship and limited freedom of the press. Corruption is rife. But have a look at what little Johnnie Ashcroft is doing, look at the people at Guantanamo or all of the quiet legislation that has been passed in congress since 9/11...then you tell me, how many freedoms are you willing to give up in order to protect your freedom? And I really don't know about that bee hive metaphor. Maybe we could look at it like a giant cup cake instead? Mmm...cream filling.
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Now before I Timber Loftis accuses me of being a smartarse I'll get serious. I'm guessing that most members outside the USA (except johnny of course) will see this as being over the top with reference to patriotism. Although the majority of US members may agree in principle with the sentiments given I think even they may agree it's OTT. In particular, this phrase "But most outsiders just don't see that our families are just like theirs except for one thing. WE ARE FREE!! we do what we want, we tell our government how we want to be lead and who we want to lead us." Does the poster believe that we in Europe don't have and cherish the same freedom? Or this, "Why? BECAUSE IT'S OUR FLAG!!!! and If you want it your going to have to rip it out of our bloody dead hands" What would I want with an American flag with blood all over it? This isn't patriotism, it's rampant nationalism.
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06-11-2003, 10:10 AM | #74 |
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I agree TheCrimsonBlade's post was rife with nationalism. It's nationalism, not patriotism, because it uses metaphor and anger to make a point, and has basically no reasoning whatsoever.
The one underlying facts ("WE ARE FREE") on which it is based shows me that TheCrimsonBlade likely hasn't travelled much outside of the US. The Phillipines are free -- they even have a "right to a clean environment" in their constitution. The UK is free. So is Switzerland. Though it's rife with strife due to money shortages, Argentina is about as "free" as the US is. Trying to identify the freedoms we have in the US that other countries generally don't is a very difficult thing to do. So, get a clue folks. The US may have been first out of the gate, but we currently do not have a monopoly on Freedom. |
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06-12-2003, 02:52 AM | #77 |
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The Independence Day speech brings back some memories Usually that part makes me go: "Oh come on!" when sitting in front of the telly, because it is so incredibly cheesy. It's not that I feel bad about it.. more ashamed of a kind, I don't know why, but it really makes me feel eerie. Wonder why though, because it isn't that important to me personally... [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]
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