Sad news. What´s the world coming to? (Loong)

[Tanoch Thas'ala]

Originally posted by skywalker: I wonder what is going on in this world. This type of tragedy has been happening in America a lot lately.

This kind of thing has not been "happening in america a lot lately". This is something that goes on all the time. The only reason it seems to have picked up is because the news agencies have made it the "crime of the day". Sadly, in a month or so, the news agencies will go on reporting other things like suddenly there are wild fires everywhere, but children will still go on missing. Everyday.

Originally posted by skywalker: It is very sad that children are no longer safe playing in their own neighborhoods. This should not be. Mark

Children are never safe playing unsupervised. The larger issue is not the predators, although it is an issue in itself. The part that pisses me off about this is that most of these kids were playing unattended by adults. One kiddnaping recently had pissed me off because the grandmother supposedly watching the child was in the back of the house doing something else!! Would it be to hard to ask the kids to play inside or play out back if you can't watch them directly? At least have them within earshot!! Yes, I blame the parent as much as I blame the sick person who did the crime.

[andrewas]

Tanoch, it is impossible to watch kids all the time, every day. In march a 14 y/o went missing on the way home from school. She was last sighted half a mile from home. Nothing has been found and there is almost no chance her adbucter will ever be caught.

Two years ago an 8 y/o walked out of a field to go to her grandmothers house where she was staying. She was out of sight of her family for 30 seconds before she was abducted. The abducter even waved to her brother as he drove away with her in the back of his van. Her body was found a month later.

There are other cases but you get my point. No amount of care can prevent one of these vermin from taking a child. There will always be a time when they cannot be protected. And even if it was possible to monitor them 100% of the time, children need to be given a chance to be independent.

This is why we *cannot* afford to let paedophiles get a second chance - or even a first chance if they can be detected in time.

As for the media cirus that surrounds these cases these days - words fail me.

Decimate them, in the original Roman sense.

[Larry_OHF]

Let me share my thoughts on this. Sexual addiction is like a drug addiction in many ways, as your brain and body look forward to that "high" and craves it constantly. When a man decides that children are easier to aquire and more fun to play with than adults...that is his preferred drug, like a man choosing cocaine over heroine. It is what gives him his preferred high.

I have read that if a man is accused of child-sex crimes, and has been released from prison...he must be made known public in his neighborhood. There is a reason for that, I am sure.

Also, it seems that the child abductors really know what they are doing these days. Have you noticed that many cases are in existance where no clues have been left behind? These guys are professionals, and will continue to prey upon our children until they are so old, even Viagra can't help them..

[ 08-20-2002, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: Larry_OHF ]

[Tanoch Thas'ala]

Originally posted by andrewas: Tanoch, it is impossible to watch kids all the time, every day. In march a 14 y/o went missing on the way home from school. She was last sighted half a mile from home. Nothing has been found and there is almost no chance her adbucter will ever be caught. Two years ago an 8 y/o walked out of a field to go to her grandmothers house where she was staying. She was out of sight of her family for 30 seconds before she was abducted. The abducter even waved to her brother as he drove away with her in the back of his van. Her body was found a month later. There are other cases but you get my point. No amount of care can prevent one of these vermin from taking a child. There will always be a time when they cannot be protected. And even if it was possible to monitor them 100% of the time, children need to be given a chance to be independent. This is why we *cannot* afford to let paedophiles get a second chance - or even a first chance if they can be detected in time. As for the media cirus that surrounds these cases these days - words fail me. Decimate them, in the original Roman sense.

Yeah and when it's "your" time to go nothing we do can prevent it, I get the point. However, simple steps can be done to help prevent things like this from happening.

In the case of the 14 yo, what was she doing walking home alone? Couldn't she take a bus? Parents or family member couldn't give her a ride? In the case of the 8yo, a parent or family member couldn't have walked with her?? Like you say, it was only 30 seconds...You're telling me her family couldn't spare 30 seconds to walk her over to her grandmother's house? It's idiotic things like this that gets me.

I agree with you, "we *cannot* afford to let paedophiles get a...first chance". This starts with the family.

The problem is no parent wants to take responsibility for anything. If a child comes home and says they are going to play at their friends house, more than likely that parent will say ok and forget about it. Know what I'm doing? If I don't know the child my son is going to play with I will have him/her over and talk with them and see how they behave, I will meet and talk with his/her parents. And if I approve then I will take him to that child's house or have the other child's parents come and get them. If the parents don't want to do it, then they stay at my house. I will know what my child is doing. All the time. I am going to be involved in my childs life. However, I understand that things can happen beyond my control. But I will be damned before I put myself in a situation where I utter the words "if only I had..."

[Donut]

Quick update.

She has been charged with perverting the course of justice. He had been charged with abduction and murder. He has been sectioned under the mental health act and has been sent to Rampton, which is a top security mental hospital. After being examined by six doctors he can be held there for 28 days. In fact he may be kept there indefinitely and may never stand trial.

[Talthyr Malkaviel]

Originally posted by Neb: One that is no longer "human". In doing this crime it is my opinion that the killer(s) have forfeited their title as a "human", they therefore also lose all accompanying human rights. They won't even have the title of "animal" either, all they will be known as is "scum". They don't even have the rights of animals and should be tortured to a painful death. Maybe baked in radiation.....

No Neb, they are still human, and that's the worst part, you're demonising, putting them out of the bounds of judgin them as humans, butthe sad trth is that in some humanbs their is the ability to do this sort of thing to young children, it may be horrifying, but we must admit it rather than declaim them as less than animals.

[andrewas]

Biologicaly they may still be human. But where it counts, in the mind?

Whatever. The argument is semantic in anycase. human, animal, vermin, scum. All just words. We know what they are.

And these people hardly need demonising.

From the latest report I read in the paper it seems the woman was not involved in the actual killings, and is merely charged with obstructing the polic investigation. A terrible crime to be sure, but not one worthy of death.

The man on the other hand, apparently hes mentally ill and six doctors will spend 28 days deciding whether or not hes capable of standing trial.

Funnily enough this man was sane enough to get a job as a school caretaker and to interact with society for 28 yrs, so I suspect hes fit to stand trial. I also suspect he'll be judged otherwise, but then im a natural cynic.

[Larry_OHF]

Good news! Just 40 minutes ago, Westerfield was found guilty of the kidnapping and death of the little van Dam girl.

They could not prosecute on rape, as her body was so decomposed that it left no evedince of such an occurance...

Next week, it will be decided if he dies or if he lives in Prison without Parole. I think life in Prison would be what I hope he gets. Plenty of time to consider his actions as well as many inmates abuse those that are child abusers...from what I am told...

[Tancred]

I'm ashamed to say it, but for me, the thing that galls me the most when it comes to this... thing, and every one like it, isn't the death of the victims, or the nature of the killers, or the insane media coverage. What I really hate is that there was absolutely nothing I could have done to change one single fact of it; and that I will never, ever get the chance to. Most likely no-one else in the world could have either. Every now and again a horror like this happens somewhere in the world, and all I can do is read, listen and feel angry, upset, depressed - and wish with every fibre of my being that it hadn't happened.

I live miles and miles from where this happened. God have sweet mercy on the people who live there, especially the families and the friends, because I don't think they'll be able to give themselves one scrap of it.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Tancred: I'm ashamed to say it, but for me, the thing that galls me the most when it comes to this... thing, and every one like it, isn't the death of the victims, or the nature of the killers, or the insane media coverage. What I really hate is that there was absolutely nothing I could have done to change one single fact of it; and that I will never, ever get the chance to. Most likely no-one else in the world could have either. Every now and again a horror like this happens somewhere in the world, and all I can do is read, listen and feel angry, upset, depressed - and wish with every fibre of my being that it hadn't happened. I live miles and miles from where this happened. God have sweet mercy on the people who live there, especially the families and the friends, because I don't think they'll be able to give themselves one scrap of it.

But don't you think it's good to know the world around you is not all peace and happiness ? I know the news we normally hear is sickening, but it's a reminder to look after your own loved ones. we happen to live in a shitty world, if the press wouldn't inform us what's going on, we might forget that not everyone is friendly out there.