8th Chamber - possible spoiler

Malstein · 03-04-2003, 05:57 AM

I have two parties up to the 8th Chamber in the Black Raven Monastry.
In one party the Half-Orc Fighter11/Barbarian1 was able to complete the Immolation Chamber on the second attempt but the Half-Orc Barbarian9/Fighter4 in the other party has been unable to come anywhere near finishing off the second monk after more than ten attempts. In the end my evil second party killed off all the monks in the Monastry to obtain the key.

The thing is these two fighters appear very similar, both have STR =21 and Improved Criticals (although the F11/B1 has DEX16 and AXE*** where as the B9/F4 has DEX14 and Hammer***) yet they seem to have vastly different capabilities against the brass monks.

Is the major difference due to AXE vs HAMMER damage ?

[ 03-04-2003, 05:59 AM: Message edited by: Malstein ]

Kakero · 03-04-2003, 07:21 AM

I thought you have to fight them with your fist?

J'aran · 03-04-2003, 09:35 AM

Kakero - No, you can use any weapon type available - the Monks didn't put a little cache of non-magical weapons in all those Chambers for nothing.

Malstein - No, the Brass Monks, like all the other Monk-types in the other Chambers, have no resistance at all to physical (slashing, piercing, bludgeoning or missile) damage. So attacking them with a Battle Axe (slashing damage) would have the exact same effects as attacking with a Warhammer (bludgeoning damage). Beats me why you'd get such different results with characters as similar as those, apart from the luck-factor...

Jaramira · 03-04-2003, 01:31 PM

Have you ever thought it might be due to different weapon proficiencies?

Kakero · 03-04-2003, 01:41 PM

err..didn't the monk guy say you have to strip yourself of all belongings when fighting in the chamber? I would assume he mean your equip weapon as well?

J'aran · 03-04-2003, 02:03 PM

There is a cache in the wall inside each Chamber containing a few nonmagical weapons: two longswords, two shortswords, two battle axes, two warhammers, two spears and some darts or something. These can be grabbed and equipped after you have entered the Chamber, so that non-Monk characters can actually kill the opponents instead of just knocking them out.

J'aran · 03-04-2003, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jaramira:
Have you ever thought it might be due to different weapon proficiencies?

No. As I said, a character with Weapon Specialisation: Axe wielding a battle axe, and a character with Weapon Specialisation: Hammer wielding a warhammer would do pretty much the same damage over any given time to a Brass Monk, provided that they have the same BAB, which they do in this case. Only difference is the damage type (slashing or bludgeoning), but that doesn't affect the hight of the damage done because the Brass Monks do not have any Physical Damage Resistance whatsoever.

It's also not a case of hit points, as a Bbn 9/Ftr 4 would have more of those than a Ftr 11/Bbn 1. Or does the latter have a higher CON?

Maybe it's feats like Power Attack or Expertise? Have you got any of those going on?

zakharak · 03-04-2003, 11:05 PM

Do you have a monk in the party you are struggling with?

My monk tore right through all of the chambers pretty quick with just an iron fist. (Except for the lightning monks. It took me 10 tries till i figured out i was just supposed to kill them. I thought it was some sort of pattern in the floor...)

Kakero · 03-05-2003, 01:00 AM

My party always has a monk and my monk always sweep aside the challenges in the chambers.

lethoso · 03-05-2003, 01:13 AM

i sent my druid through.... dire bear kicks anus [img]smile.gif[/img]

03-04-2003, 01:31 PM	#4
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03-04-2003, 11:05 PM	#8
zakharak The Magister Join Date: February 10, 2002 Location: durango, co Posts: 122	Do you have a monk in the party you are struggling with? My monk tore right through all of the chambers pretty quick with just an iron fist. (Except for the lightning monks. It took me 10 tries till i figured out i was just supposed to kill them. I thought it was some sort of pattern in the floor...) __________________ Zakharak

03-05-2003, 01:13 AM	#10
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03-04-2003, 05:57 AM	#1
Malstein Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 16, 2003 Location: Sydney Australia Age: 69 Posts: 20	I have two parties up to the 8th Chamber in the Black Raven Monastry. In one party the Half-Orc Fighter11/Barbarian1 was able to complete the Immolation Chamber on the second attempt but the Half-Orc Barbarian9/Fighter4 in the other party has been unable to come anywhere near finishing off the second monk after more than ten attempts. In the end my evil second party killed off all the monks in the Monastry to obtain the key. The thing is these two fighters appear very similar, both have STR =21 and Improved Criticals (although the F11/B1 has DEX16 and AXE* where as the B9/F4 has DEX14 and Hammer*) yet they seem to have vastly different capabilities against the brass monks. Is the major difference due to AXE vs HAMMER damage ? [ 03-04-2003, 05:59 AM: Message edited by: Malstein ]

03-04-2003, 07:21 AM	#2
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	I thought you have to fight them with your fist?

03-04-2003, 09:35 AM	#3
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 44 Posts: 1,493	Kakero - No, you can use any weapon type available - the Monks didn't put a little cache of non-magical weapons in all those Chambers for nothing. Malstein - No, the Brass Monks, like all the other Monk-types in the other Chambers, have no resistance at all to physical (slashing, piercing, bludgeoning or missile) damage. So attacking them with a Battle Axe (slashing damage) would have the exact same effects as attacking with a Warhammer (bludgeoning damage). Beats me why you'd get such different results with characters as similar as those, apart from the luck-factor...

03-04-2003, 01:41 PM	#5
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	err..didn't the monk guy say you have to strip yourself of all belongings when fighting in the chamber? I would assume he mean your equip weapon as well?

03-04-2003, 02:03 PM	#6
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 44 Posts: 1,493	There is a cache in the wall inside each Chamber containing a few nonmagical weapons: two longswords, two shortswords, two battle axes, two warhammers, two spears and some darts or something. These can be grabbed and equipped after you have entered the Chamber, so that non-Monk characters can actually kill the opponents instead of just knocking them out.

03-05-2003, 01:00 AM	#9
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	My party always has a monk and my monk always sweep aside the challenges in the chambers.

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