my small party needs help!

killerTeddy · 07-12-2004, 01:30 PM

Hi,

i wanted to try a small party this time. Before i just had bigger parties. I took 3 members, so everyone can fit into the center. I took Elf-Mook, Rawulf-Lord and Faerie-Ninja. Everyone quite balanced, good at fighting and they just started learning some magic. They all fit in the formation-center, thats just wonderfull - no more moving and turning around after nearly each monster killed. But it just don't work, killing Gregor took 10 tries, and since then i'm running from most fights (metallic slimes in the monastery, for examples, they nearly killed Burz too).
What am i doing wrong? I don't like this training-stuff (except maybe training knock-knock, it rises earth magic quite fast). Did i develop the characters wrong (have 4 attributes for each that i rise at each level up)?

Maybe i should start anew, anyone suggestions for a small party (of 2, 3 or 4)?

Thanks, Teddy

booklord · 07-12-2004, 02:07 PM

The only thing I can real comment on is that all of your characters seem to "development types". Some characters start out weak but get stronger when their skills develop.

The Lord starts as a fighter without the beserk damage and close combat bonus. The faerie ninja is really developed around a single weapon and until you get that weapon will have problems. Finally monk's martial arts starts out weak but gets much stronger as the skill improves. ( Particularly since you've chosen a low str race )

Nightwing · 07-12-2004, 03:51 PM

You may have to do a lot of running untill you get to Arnika. After that you can pick up some nice weapons and things get a little easier. Nunchucs' for the ninja will help and keep building senses and dex. The only thing is you have no one to cast missle shield or ench. blade both help a great deal especially at full strength. I might trade the lord for a sam. The monk can cast healing spells as well as the ninja and the Sam gives you access to the Mage spell book. If you wanted a fourth member try a bard or gadgeteer. You can also change the difficulty if you find a battle just can't be won then switch back. The 3 will be powerfull by mid game give the lord duel diamond eyes and watch him go to town.

booklord · 07-12-2004, 06:18 PM

He'd gain Enchanted Blade and Missile Shield with a Samurai but he'd lose Magic Screen and Armorplate by dropping the Lord. ( Some people get by with scrolls but I just don't think those are as effective, besides its expensive! )

Scatter · 07-12-2004, 11:22 PM

I'd leave them as they are, but the one training thing you almost have to do with smaller paries is Stealth. Even if you don't change the Lord to Rogue for a level, at least let your Monk and Ninja train it up. They should be able to do it unsupervised once they're around AC 8 or so if you do this with Seekers in the Monastery. And if you leave the Lord a Lord, the HP regen should cover end-of-range damage from them, esp if you're well armored and have a shield. You get 1 AC per 10 Stealth, but if you don't do the Lord, too, they'll be getting hit a lot less anyway, as the Lord will become an attack magnet.

Dedzy · 07-13-2004, 01:26 AM

I am unfamiliar with your Elf-Mook build. It sounds like you are spreading your attributes too thin, you max them all out only if you drag the game out until you are level 35 or so. Better to focus on 2 at first, max them, then finish the game while you are working on the next 2.

Target · 07-13-2004, 03:50 AM

Sorry a bit off topic...

Quote:

Originally posted by Nightwing:
by mid game give the lord duel diamond eyes and watch him go to town.

Where do you get the second diamond eyes? I know where 1 is.

Cheers

Dedzy · 07-13-2004, 06:12 AM

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You can always get one in the Mountain wilderness in the tomb with the knight.

The second one you can get from killing Shaman Das in Trynton. He only carries it about 20% of the time or so.

Target · 07-13-2004, 07:51 AM

OH right, killing the Shameman, that doesn't make the trinny go red does it? and do you need him again after you've go the key from him?

Nightwing · 07-13-2004, 07:58 AM

I've killed the Shamen twice after I got the key by standing next to him and starting combat. The two gaurds actually helped me and the Shamans' first move was to heal one of my characters. The Trynie stayed friendly both times.

07-12-2004, 03:51 PM	#3
Nightwing Baaz Draconian Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: Neb. Age: 58 Posts: 725	You may have to do a lot of running untill you get to Arnika. After that you can pick up some nice weapons and things get a little easier. Nunchucs' for the ninja will help and keep building senses and dex. The only thing is you have no one to cast missle shield or ench. blade both help a great deal especially at full strength. I might trade the lord for a sam. The monk can cast healing spells as well as the ninja and the Sam gives you access to the Mage spell book. If you wanted a fourth member try a bard or gadgeteer. You can also change the difficulty if you find a battle just can't be won then switch back. The 3 will be powerfull by mid game give the lord duel diamond eyes and watch him go to town. __________________ HoHo What!

07-13-2004, 01:26 AM	#6
Dedzy The Magister Join Date: March 19, 2004 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Age: 54 Posts: 100	I am unfamiliar with your Elf-Mook build. It sounds like you are spreading your attributes too thin, you max them all out only if you drag the game out until you are level 35 or so. Better to focus on 2 at first, max them, then finish the game while you are working on the next 2. __________________ \"Ph\'nglui mglw\'nafh Cthulhu R\'lyeh wagn\'nagl fhtagn.\" <br />\"In his house in R\'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.\"

07-13-2004, 06:12 AM	#8
Dedzy The Magister Join Date: March 19, 2004 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Age: 54 Posts: 100	Spoiler . . . . . . . . You can always get one in the Mountain wilderness in the tomb with the knight. The second one you can get from killing Shaman Das in Trynton. He only carries it about 20% of the time or so. __________________ \"Ph\'nglui mglw\'nafh Cthulhu R\'lyeh wagn\'nagl fhtagn.\" <br />\"In his house in R\'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.\"

07-13-2004, 07:51 AM	#9
Target Red Dragon Join Date: April 1, 2003 Location: The Midlands Posts: 1,571	OH right, killing the Shameman, that doesn't make the trinny go red does it? and do you need him again after you've go the key from him? __________________ Smoke me a kipper...I'll be back for breakfast!! If you can keep your head when all around are loosing theirs...you probably haven’t grasped the situation!!

07-13-2004, 07:58 AM	#10
Nightwing Baaz Draconian Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: Neb. Age: 58 Posts: 725	I've killed the Shamen twice after I got the key by standing next to him and starting combat. The two gaurds actually helped me and the Shamans' first move was to heal one of my characters. The Trynie stayed friendly both times. __________________ HoHo What!

07-12-2004, 01:30 PM	#1
killerTeddy Dungeon Master Join Date: April 27, 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Age: 46 Posts: 64	Hi, i wanted to try a small party this time. Before i just had bigger parties. I took 3 members, so everyone can fit into the center. I took Elf-Mook, Rawulf-Lord and Faerie-Ninja. Everyone quite balanced, good at fighting and they just started learning some magic. They all fit in the formation-center, thats just wonderfull - no more moving and turning around after nearly each monster killed. But it just don't work, killing Gregor took 10 tries, and since then i'm running from most fights (metallic slimes in the monastery, for examples, they nearly killed Burz too). What am i doing wrong? I don't like this training-stuff (except maybe training knock-knock, it rises earth magic quite fast). Did i develop the characters wrong (have 4 attributes for each that i rise at each level up)? Maybe i should start anew, anyone suggestions for a small party (of 2, 3 or 4)? Thanks, Teddy

07-12-2004, 02:07 PM	#2
booklord Dungeon Master Join Date: June 10, 2004 Location: Michigan Age: 51 Posts: 53	The only thing I can real comment on is that all of your characters seem to "development types". Some characters start out weak but get stronger when their skills develop. The Lord starts as a fighter without the beserk damage and close combat bonus. The faerie ninja is really developed around a single weapon and until you get that weapon will have problems. Finally monk's martial arts starts out weak but gets much stronger as the skill improves. ( Particularly since you've chosen a low str race )

07-12-2004, 06:18 PM	#4
booklord Dungeon Master Join Date: June 10, 2004 Location: Michigan Age: 51 Posts: 53	He'd gain Enchanted Blade and Missile Shield with a Samurai but he'd lose Magic Screen and Armorplate by dropping the Lord. ( Some people get by with scrolls but I just don't think those are as effective, besides its expensive! )

07-12-2004, 11:22 PM	#5
Scatter Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 17, 2003 Location: Portland Age: 65 Posts: 1,336	I'd leave them as they are, but the one training thing you almost have to do with smaller paries is Stealth. Even if you don't change the Lord to Rogue for a level, at least let your Monk and Ninja train it up. They should be able to do it unsupervised once they're around AC 8 or so if you do this with Seekers in the Monastery. And if you leave the Lord a Lord, the HP regen should cover end-of-range damage from them, esp if you're well armored and have a shield. You get 1 AC per 10 Stealth, but if you don't do the Lord, too, they'll be getting hit a lot less anyway, as the Lord will become an attack magnet.

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