11-26-2004, 04:33 PM | #31 |
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The ban on smoking is done neither to accomodate non-smokers nor to pester smokers. Their rights are hardly important in this as both choose to be where they are and do what they do (although the fact of the matter is that smokers do cause inconvenience to others, be it in a pub, at a busstop or anywhere else). Their wishes are not considered as they are not the reason for the regulations. Look to non-smoking signs for that.
The reason for the ban is simply this; employees are currently being forced to work in cigarette smoke. This is affecting their health and in many places the amount of smoke leads to the ADI (acceptable daily intake) being exceeded. Plainly put, they're not good working conditions. Miners need to wear helmets on the site, construction workers have to have ear protection around heavy machinery, restaurants must have smooth kitchen floors to prevent build-up of bacteria and a rough floor to prevent employees from slipping, in the office you must have the right type of chair and keyboard to prevent back injuries and RSI. These things are not decided by the people in the buisness and extremely commonplace. The only difference here is that, instead of having the waiters wear oxygen masks, costumers are asked to stop polluting the air. It's a cheaper, more effective solution which even lets you hear what the other guy is saying and makes him look significantly less ridiculous. As an added bonus, the method gets the support of anyone who doesn't enjoy second-hand smoke. |
11-26-2004, 05:32 PM | #32 |
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woah smoking outside still affects the enviroment and if you can always go to a non-smoking pub (or the non-smoking section of the pub). it's called freedom of choice.
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For those who suggest having a smoking and a non-smoking section in pubs and restaurants, consider the costs involved in implementing that in an established business which doesn't have such a thing. If they only have one major dining area (as many do), or maybe a major and a minor area, where would they put the line to say "No smoking from here on"? The answer is often that the can't, unless they remodel. And what would be the point of it? It wouldn't improve working conditions (as they waiters would still have to go into the smoking section), they wouldn't necesarily get any more custom (people might just reorganise themselves) - pubs moreso than restaurants because alot of people don't like taking their families (with kids) to where people are drinking. Contrast to simply having a ban on smoking indoors. Ok, they still won't necesarily get better custom. But, working conditions would be improved (which also means potentially more employees), and what did they spend on it? A few dollars putting up signs. Which would the business owner be more likely to implement? I'd say the latter. [ 11-26-2004, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: LennonCook ] |
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There will be NO bars or restaurants with smoking allowed, therefore there is NO competition too no smoking bars or restaurants. Its a simple concept ..... SMOKING is to be banned by LAW *no exceptions* which of course makes all of your points irrelevant. Also one of the many reasons that the law is being brought in here is the workplace safety issue. If I work in a bar or cafe for example and you the owner of the cafe / bar does not enforce the law, then I just sue you and get WORKCOVER to fine / close / send you to jail for allowing unsafe working practices. Smoking in public is going the way of the Dodo and the mullet hairdo, just get over it [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Where I work people are, and have been, fined for smoking outside of a designated smoking place. ($100) The bosses at work can be fined and eventually jailed if they do not enforce it! Everyone has a right to a safe workplace. Also the local councils have banned smoking on some of the most famous beaches in Australia [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] So the majority of us who enjoy the fresh outside air can do so without drug addict / smokers ruining our health. So for those people who like king Canute are trying to stop the tide of fresh air being returned to buildings you may as well concentrate on trying to defend smoking outside .... that ban is well on its way thanks to a simple democratic equation .... The majority do not smoke [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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11-26-2004, 11:39 PM | #40 |
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Just got to toss my two cents+ in.
Smoking is banned in restaurants, pubs, and clubs in my city and my province. It works well, because a number of pubs, etc, have added on covered patios or separated off existing ones so that smokers have a place to smoke when they frequent those establishments. It accomplishes three things: 1) Non-smokers (the majority, in my area) are not inconvenienced or exposed to a health risk. 2) It gets the smokers away from just outside the door and gives them a sheltered area to smoke. 3) It satisfies the laws regarding workplace safety. Everybody can live with the compromise, and it hasn't hurt business any. In fact, the clubs in particular are busier than ever, because people don't have to dance in a haze of stale smoke. I don't mind people smoking around me when I'm out on the town or talking, or whatever, but speaking as a tolerant non-smoker, it is extremely difficult to enjoy a meal when cig smoke is present. I fully support the smoking ban in pubs, clubs and restaurants for health and other reasons.
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