Free David Hicks

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Havock: [ Why should he go free while his cohorts continue to rot?? Is it because he is Austrailian and they are not,

Yes. The Australian government should work to free him because he is an Australian citizen, yes. Just as the British govt. negotiated the release of their nationals.

[wellard]

So nearly everyone knows for a fact what he did and what he deserves? Amazing!

Wow some of you are so insightful ... not. Have you got FACTS about what he has or has not done? (And the answer to that is NO you have not) You must be magic to know what the USA military have not proved in a law court despite over 5 years of torture. Your posts also goes to show the root of the problem, that if you point a finger at someone who is Muslim and call him a terrorist then nearly every Tom Dick and Harry jumps on board and brings out a rope to lynch him without bothering to see if there is proof or whether that proof has been tested in a court of law.

If the USA knows he did something against them then why has he not been charged and convicted with anything? Why do they continue to torture him? Why are all the British victims are freed but Australians have not?

Should rumors be enough to keep someone to torture and jail for over 5 years? Judging by the histrionics shown in some posts it shows that there are still some Americans who are proud that their Australian allies can be treated this way.

Hicks may not be innocent, but lets find out the facts by having a trial. Lets face it even Saddam would get a trial

[Dreamer128]

Originally posted by wellard: Hicks may not be innocent, but lets find out the facts by having a trial. Lets face it even Saddam would get a trial

I think Saddam rather wishes he hadn't.

[johnny]

No, we don't have the facts, but since you started this thread, it's only natural that you provide us with them. [img]tongue.gif[/img] For instance, i'd still like to know where mr. Hicks was arrested and what was he doing there ? Was he carrying firearms ? Was he shooting at coalition forces ? Or was he at the wrong place at the wrong time ? WHAT ?!?!?

[wellard]

Originally posted by Dreamer128: quote: Originally posted by wellard: Hicks may not be innocent, but lets find out the facts by having a trial. Lets face it even Saddam would get a trial

I think Saddam rather wishes he hadn't. [/QUOTE]That a good point actually [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

[wellard]

Originally posted by johnny: No, we don't have the facts, but since you started this thread, it's only natural that you provide us with them. [img]tongue.gif[/img] For instance, i'd still like to know where mr. Hicks was arrested and what was he doing there ? Was he carrying firearms ? Was he shooting at coalition forces ? Or was he at the wrong place at the wrong time ? WHAT ?!?!?

Well Johnny facts are hard to come by since Mr. Hicks as not been able to defend himself in a court of law or even been able to talk to the press or have indeed more than 4 or 5 phone calls to his family in all those years.

Firstly - I have no problem with him being held as a POW (the US govt deny him this right) at least he would be treated under the Geneva Convention.

Secondly - If he has committed an act of 'terror' rather than just being a soldier for the "losing side" then lock the arsehole away for life no problems with that at all!


Ok some details that may or may not be correct ...

"He was captured on the 9 December 2001 near Kunduz in Afghanistan by the Northern Alliance." Yes that is over two years before the USA invasion of Iraq BUT a month or more after the first small contingents of allied troops arrived in Afghanistan.

It appears that he was fighting as a soldier for what he believed in and had been in the area well before the awful Sept 2001 attack on the USA. There is nothing I can find that shows a hint that he was involved in any fight against the Americans. It seems to be that at worse he was involved in fighting other Muslims. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]


Of course it should be up to the hang em high brigade to show what proof they have ...... but that would be justice and we can't have that can we? [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

[johnny]

He was with the Northern Alliance ???

Never mind that, i misread your post. So he was captured by the NA, and handed to US forces later ?

You gotta understand the surprise on the American's faces when they were handed a Taliban footsoldier, who happens to be a citizen of a nation that's supposed to be a trusted ally. Now, if it were an Aussie from Arab or north African descent, i could at least have some understanding for it, but a caucasian Australian ? Give me a friggin break here. You know why he went to Afghanistan right ? He went there looking for violence, and violence caught up with him. A white man with no Islamic roots whatsoever has no business in a shithole like Afghanistan. He's not your common crook Wellard, he's a sick mind, and would be best put out of his misery, because you definitely don't want to sent such a person back into society. He threw away that right when he signed up with the Taliban.

[ 11-19-2006, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: johnny ]

[wellard]

Some personal stuff ..

he has two children aged 6 and 7 years old.

his occupation was a former horse trainer/cowboy from Adelaide, South Australia.


How does a Cowboy get cought up in this crap?

[wellard]

Originally posted by johnny: He was with the Northern Alliance ???

No fighting against them ... I think

[johnny]

Originally posted by wellard: Some personal stuff .. he has two children aged 6 and 7 years old. his occupation was a former horse trainer/cowboy from Adelaide, South Australia. How does a Cowboy get cought up in this crap?

Too bad for his kids, but he should have thought of that before signing up with the bad guys. I'm sure Osama bin Laden has a bundle of kids somewhere too, but that doesn't grant him mercy all of a sudden.