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Originally posted by K T Ong: I actually like many of Marx's ideas, I just don't agree with his total dismissal of religion as a means for the 'haves' to drug the 'have-nots' into a submissive state. Or his view of Nature as a mere quarry for human development instead of having value in its own right.

There again is right, for without nature, we are nothing, there is nothing for us to live with or on.
Nature is something that we need to respect for the future of the movement and our race, because without sustainable society, we will all die and be very unhappy.

Originally posted by K T Ong: Glad the Cultural Revolution didn't destroy everything, BTW. And things are certainly much less totalitarian there now, from what I learnt.[/QB]

Many of his ideas were insightful and full of worth, however his political practice was flawed in some ways, since a dictatorship of the proletariat is an oxymoron IMHO.