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Discussions work in two ways. If you want to share your opinion with me, then do so in a civil maner, then *I* will decide what I want to think of it. You can not decide for me. The goal of a discussion is not to force people to acept your opinion, it's to share different opinions. If you can't do that, then I have no interest in what you have to say. I alone decide what tone I will tolerate when talking with someone, and if I want to talk with someone, and I've told you already I won't tolerate your attitude. Is it so hard to accept? If you can calm down a little, then fine, we can share our different point of views, but if you just want to force your opinion on me, then forget it, I won't bother with your posts.
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09-04-2003, 03:28 AM | #192 |
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Typically I always end up playing what no one else wants to, or whatever the party is lacking. So I'm almost always a female or a mage, just because I always play with male role players who refuse to play females, and like to just hack and slash and don't have the patience for casting spells. I'm also the only person who ever played a cleric or paladin, for the same reasons.
I enjoy roleplaying and don't aim for the power everyone else does, so whatever I end up with I play well... It's just usually the butt of all the jokes because there I am, female mage in a party or male fighters. *shrug* I'm used to it
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And again, that's not being rude, or denegrating, or derogatory...it's just being real. "It is my opinion that they are because they dont feel like working hard to get the muscles." Tell that to that Hayworth girl. Or any of the other female bodybuilders out there...or heck, to my little sister. They've all worked hard, damn hard, and have great physiques, and big muscles. The only thing I was, and still am, trying to say is: If men and women put out equal amounts of work, the man will be stronger. Look at your own case. You said that your sister likes to work out, and that you dont. Therefore she is stronger. Sure...she's trained for it. But, what you, and others, seem to fail to realize is that I(and Thoran and IAmThumper) are talking about has *NOTHING* to do with comparing the average computer geek male with the average bodybuilding female, any more than it has to do with comparing Mr Universe and the average housewife. We're talking about comparing either A) The extremes: Female and Male bodybuilders, both driving themselves to the point of critical mass to achieve the perfect body, or B) The averages: Joe and Jane American, living their lives side by side, getting basically the same amount of food/medicine/physical activity. And, in both those cases it has been proven, time and time again, that the man is bigger and stronger...ON AVERAGE. It's not really that difficult a point to get IMO. Quote:
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You've made it perfectly obvious that you dont care about my, or anyone else's opinion. Fine, so be it. But, if you are going to engage in debate, you have to...HAVE TO...care about THE FACTS OF THE MATTER. Otherwise, there's absolutely no point in your even being involved in the discussion at hand, and you're just 'talking to hear your lips flap', as the saying goes. AFA your silly claim about 'civility'...You were the one that started in with the sexist comments. You were the one that originally made the post that derailed the thread. You were the one that kept up the line of personal attacks. I presented FACTS! Just because they differ from your OPINION doesn't make them incorrect. It just seems to make them unpalatable to you, therefore you have continued with the childish insults to me. Personally, I'm beginning to get offended by them. You have done nothing but accuse me of rudeness, sexism, and bigotry, and, despite that, I have *tried* to answer you, each time, with factual data, but, apparently, to no avail. You still accuse me of rudeness and sexism...fine, so be it. Just remember that *you* are the one that took it to this place, not me. Quote:
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Finally, if you dont want to 'bother with' my posts...fine, it's no skin off my nose. Just realize that, if I am involved in a discussion, and you come in and either drop a bomb like sexism, or attempt to post, as fact, something that is so obviously incorrect, then I will respond, and either denounce your bomb for what it is, or refute your 'facts' with the truth. Again, simple as that.
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I also didn't "respond with sexism". I started the off topic discussion, and it was all about sexism, and not muscle. Muscle and fighting abilities was simply an attempt to prove my point on sexism, and even then, it was not about the muscles and fighting itself, but what people thought was the limit. And I don't mean that women are as strong, I mean that most people don't give them the credits they are due. As for the theorical potential of women, that's something off topic that managed to sneak itself in the discussion. Quote:
I never acused you of sexism. I made some generalisation, but I never named you. If I said "Some Americans are criminal", would you feel like I included you? If you feel secure in your opinion you should know I'm not talking about you. But I did accuse you of rudeness, and you were rude in the post I partly quoted back then. Maybe not insulting yet, but I could see your temper rising, it was easy to see you were getting frustrated, and anger usually come after frustration. I admit I overreacted in that post, I could have told you more politely, sorry for that. Quote:
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But the facts end here, unless you have been in the future. I know I don't, and I know I don't know what we will be like in the future, so the facts end here and speculations start. Unless you've been in the future, I will consider your opinion of women always being weaker than men for eternity as that, an opinion. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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I think what Thoran wrote (here) has perfectly summed up what I feel. I spend hours writing each of my posts because I want to make my points clear and I spend as much time trying to understand the what and whys of other peoples posts. It seems you are just dismissing everything we say out of hand and I really don't see any more ways to get you to see our/my side of things. I don't see any reason to continue so this is my last reply on this topic. |
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