10-09-2001, 04:12 PM | #51 | |
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My thinking comes from a wide variety of sources, first and foremost being my own experience, which is considerable and varied, though I do say it myself.... Admittedly, I have been exposed to postmodernism, - however, I decided not to pursue it after going up my own backside for the fifth time running.... Whatever, anyhow, I reject your concept, and continue to argue that what works for me is ‘right’ for me, and what works for you is ‘right’ for you. ( I don’t think post modernist thought boils down to ‘by conceiving my truth I make it right’. Or perhaps I have misunderstood what you mean by that phrase. Could you give me a concrete example of what you mean?.......... Then I’d be able to respond more fully. Thanks... Everyone thinks their beliefs are true. Personally, as I’ve said before, I think none of them are, if we are talking about true beliefs corresponding to the ‘true’ state of reality. We none of us can perceive reality, as it truly is. We work with what we can perceive, and make sense of things as best we can. Language gets in the way of a true perception, with its associated concepts, emotions, inherent bias, and all the rest. Given this, how can any of us claim to have the truth on reality (and that includes the divine...) ------------------ Most Ecstatic and Exotic Mistress of the Illuminati [This message has been edited by Silver Cheetah (edited 10-09-2001).] |
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10-09-2001, 05:33 PM | #52 | |
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Conerning grace, Seek and ye shall find is my belief. Only an individual can expirience for oneself the kind of enlightenment you are promoting. Christ did as an individual, and as some believe for all-mankind as well by example but so have other wise folk through the ages. A rose by another name is still a rose. Few christians would agree though, seeing as how there is still a prevelant belief of exclusivness with regards to certain spiritual expiriences. And if I seemed agressive, perhaps you asked for it some, perhaps my recent consecutive 13hr work days, chronic muscle pain, and little sleep each night contributed to my portion. I didnt flame though, I confronted. I still stand behind the ghist of what I wrote. |
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10-09-2001, 10:41 PM | #53 | |
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To be honest Dio I must beg your forgivness because I set you up I knew where you were going and that you would most probably not read the entire story. It is the love of money that is the root of all evil not money. The rich young ruler in the story loved his possessions more than God, as is evidenced by his actions. I'm a capitalist pig and proud of it, but no where near as proud as I am of my Lord. ------------------ Crustiest of the OLD COOTS Airline ticket to Afghanistan $800 High powered rifle with scope $1000 Hotel room with roof access $100 A clean Head shot on that sack of Horse Manure Usuma Bin Laden PRICELESS! |
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10-10-2001, 03:07 PM | #54 | |
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I see your point. When I started this thread I was doubtful that anyone could answer my points satisfactorily, but several of you have shown me I was mistaken. Thanks for the illumination |
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10-10-2001, 03:45 PM | #55 |
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Bill Gates is similar to Sadaam Hussain. Bill Gates has millions of people working for him who are trying to make a living. Without them Bill Gates would be nothing. The local garbage people try to survive. The local garbage people jobs are just as important as Bill Gates job. Why is there such a sperateation of wealth? It because those with the power and money hunger for more power and money and arn't willing to share the wealth. If all men were considered equal and we lived in a Utopian society were each individuals role was considered important, no one would be starving, or not able to afford medicare. If all the wealth of the world were distributed evenly every one would be a millionaire. Still not every one would be able to be a doctor or engineer because has we know from our society not everyone is smart enough to be do so although everyone would have the opportunity to do so. As long as people did not become lazy and did there part in society than an ideal world we would have. With today's technology no one should be starving in the world. Although people like Bill Gates do not like being equal and they would no longer be able exploit peoples needs and wants. Churchhill said, "Democracy is the worst type of government after all the others.". He was right it was the best available at the time and still is, although I think he may have had a vision of a different type of government that would be better in the future were men are truly equal, and no one suffers, or starves because thay can not afford medicine or food.
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10-10-2001, 03:48 PM | #56 | |
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10-10-2001, 03:59 PM | #57 | |
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I apologize for my ealier outburst against you. It was out of line. Regarding tolerance, I understand your point, and I respect your awareness of the need to strike a balance between the desire not to offend and the desire to speak out. One thing I would ask you to keep in mind, however, along the lines of not offending , is that the very nature of your religious position can be perceived by people who don't believe as you do as intolerance. Many people in the world, myself included, take the position that pretty much all religions are equally valid. They each are a part of God's truth, each an imperfect manifestation of the deeper Divine. A position, like yours, which takes one of those religions and declares it to be THE truth, can be perceived by its very nature as being a good deal more intolerant than other view points like the above mentioned one. However, I see from your comments that you are in fact aware of this dilemma, and of that I am glad. Regarding my comments about you being arrogant, I realize that arrogance can often be confused with strength of conviction. Hell, I myself have certainly been accused of being arrogant in the same way lately, for my own convictions, so I sympathize with you Again, my apologies |
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