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09-21-2001, 02:24 PM | #12 |
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Interesting parallels there, MagiK.
I am all for peaceful and nonviolent resolution of conflict whenever that is possible. The best approach is to try and live your life, or govern your nation, in such a way as to avoid creating conflict in the first place. However, there are situations that cannot be resolved peacefully, and in those cases, it is necessary to determine the desired outcome and prosecute the action with the smallest possible number of total casualties. I don't see how this relates to the playing of games, however. CRPG's or PNP RPG's are constructs built around puzzle-solving and conflict resolution. These stories are made to have certain elements to be used as plot devices for the resolution of the tale, most often weapons and magic. The choices are nearly infinite, as the consequences have no more reality than the game itself. People often use this an outlet to explore the choices they would not make in their real life, as their are no real consequences. To equate the actions taken in a fantasy drama setting as being concomitant with the actions taken in real life is to create a false comparison. The moral and ethical questions and their resolutions are created and resolved in two different and separate spheres, although one, the fantasy game world, is contained within the other. People who are unable to distinguish the difference between fantasy and reality are considered to be un-sane by society. The distinction comes when one tries to impose or enact the rules which govern the fantasy sphere upon the real world. Clearly, this sort of activity can range from benign eccentricity to absolute sociopathy. Not to insult anyones' intelligence here, but I would like to note that the attributes of a mental construct such as a fantasy world are also applicable to religious beliefs, political beliefs, a social order, or any other mental construct. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Absynthe (edited 09-21-2001).] |
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I take it you are referring to vegetarianism and veganism? I am a vegetarian, which means I do not eat meat or fish. There are lots of reasons why people don't choose to eat meat. Apart from the obvious health and environment reasons, I am motivated by what I know about intensive farming, (a lot!). The way animals are raised and slaughtered in the UK and Europe is, (with some few exceptions), disgusting and barbaric. The poultry industries are probably the best known examples. I haven't studied the US industries specificially, however, the little I do know suggests the situation is similar there. I don't need to eat meat to live (by the way, I am 100% healthy, and look about 10 years younger than I am) and so I don't eat it. This isn't an attack on people who do eat meat - each to their own, but to dismiss 'anti-meating' as part of 'that other anti-stuff' seems somewhat flip and dismissive to me, so I decided to put in my twopennorth. (PS Vegetarianism is very common in the UK, less so in the US, I believe...) ------------------ [This message has been edited by Silver Cheetah (edited 09-21-2001).] |
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Well, I would prefer it if people could be rehabilitated, but sometimes some people are just too much of a danger to others so that it is necessary for their lives to be ended for the protection of others, what would be most humane, to let them rot away in a prison cell for the rest of their lives or to end it quickly?
As for CRPGs, well, any violence there is not real and it is a good way to get rid of some aggressions, I have the same thing as Saz, I can never play Evil, even if I manage to start out Evil I cannot resist the lure of Good and usually change somewhere about halfway through the game, strange really, since it's just a game. As for the necessity of violence, let us take the current example of Osama Bin Laden, either we leave him alone and the continues to kill innocents or we either capture him or kill him, either way would require violence since he probably has quite a large amount of fanatical guards, I say that an attempt should be made to PEACEFULLY end his killing of innocents, but if it is unsuccesfull then I see it as necessary to end his life to protect others. Those are my points of view, others may agree or disagree with them as they please. ------------------ Worshipper of Tiax. Wielder of the ancient Lawyer spells. Member of the HADB clan. Ally of the Fluffy Queen and the Dreaded Red Fluffy |
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Thanks for the input Neb
I still think people have missed the thing I was really rtrying to get at. If you as a person are totally against violence against living creatures, how then can you revel in and enjoy CRPG's or other computer games in which it is nesecary to go out and slaughter loads of virtual creatures. If you are against violence, would you not also be against the glorification of it in our recreation? ------------------ Disintigration is easy, If you really want to impress me, ReIntegrate it. [This message has been edited by MagiK (edited 09-21-2001).] |
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The key concept here is "virtual". This role-playing is not reality. In the better games, like BG and BGII, your character is dramatically affected by the choices you make, the monsters and NPC's you treatise with, or against, or kill. In real life, the choices I make dramatically affect the outcome of my life. In a computer game, I am playing the role of a character. Sometimes the role offers choices I wouldn't choose in real life, but are consistent with the character I'm playing. In real life the choices I'm faced with are sometimes of the "lesser of two evils" variety. (election years come to mind...) however, I don't get to reset, or load a saved game, or use a cheat code. It's real life, after all. |
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