The IW "Top 10 PC Games Ever" list!

[Nightwing]

1. Empire
2. Fallout 2
3. x-com
4. Jagged Alliance 2
5. Wizardry 8
6. Warlords 3
7. Heroes of M&M 3
8. Wasteland
9. Earl Weaver Baseball
10.Kampfgrouppe

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Zink Whistlefly: quote: Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Zink Whistlefly: quote: Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Zink Whistlefly: Felix you have a few Amiga games in there (long live the Amiga!) but I've restricted this poll to just PC games otherwise there would be a little too much spread in the results. What would you like me to do with the list, or do you fancy putting another one together?

PC games? Can you Paaleease define PC? [/QUOTE]Well, basically, very very simply, putting it in standard terms so the average everyday layman can understand it, a PC game is, in essence, a game, that is very much played on a PC .

Seriously though games like Elite were cross platform so that's a perfectly valid entry, but is there anything in your list that wasn't cross platform, such as Cosmic Balance? The only reason I've tried to restrict the poll to PC games only is to make the results gathering easier, otherwise we could be dealing with many hundreds of titles, rather than the slightly more restricted list of games that were playable on, or made specifically for, a PC. [/QUOTE]What do you mean cross platform? Amiga perhaps? Amiga was powered by a Motorola 680xx series, just like Macs, Suns, and others of the day.
So, as I understand this, we can through 'Moores Law' out the window? The evolution of microprocessing, the devolpment of transistors, and the changing of the micron form mold on CPUs as well? Can we call Intel up and say hey, revert back to 8080 CPUs so we can call them PCs again? Me thinks NOT! This is your thread, I'll behave, but keep in mind this fact. Not all PCs are based off of what you have described above. You see, before the hip hop misconception rage of PC ( Dell, Compaq, HP, Alienware et al.) Apple, Rockwell, Commodore, Atari, IBM, and Texas Instruments produced Personal Computers. That was way before your published birthdate of 1980. So, I ask again, could you re-define PC? - Or, should we disreagrd history, and only call modern day, name brand Wintel based personal computers, PCs? [/QUOTE]Felix - Consoles use micro-processors too, in fact very little seperates the X-Box from the PC technically, yet it is a console. Classifying anything with a microprocessor as a Personal Computer is a completely moot point so I'll make this nice and easy - "IBM PC compatible" games. Now stop being difficult [img]tongue.gif[/img] .

[img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Yes! A solid answer! Now, for the most part, you do realize the 'IBM Compatible' term is just another historical stone? You might want to look into a term called 'Wintel', as that is what most of all current users here have, and all current manufactured PCs are designed upon.

If you were just referring to game consoles, then you should have so stated. But please don't drag historical PCs, into the same category as a special use toy! The difference between any PC, and any game toy is simply put, BIOS, CPU, FSB, North Bridge, South Bridge, Memory Bank, IDE Bank, Video Bank, and PCI Bank for Wintel, add Math Coprocessor, ISA, Upper and Lower Memory, UART, and others for 'IBM Compatible' series PCs. An xbox might have a processor, but so does the control panel on my H-VAC system(Heat/Vent/Air Condition) which also has java script, what does the ps-2 use?.

Did you know? Apple's Apple II was the first PC to produce color graphics? circa 1977! I'm not being difficult, I'm just being historical.

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You ARE being difficult. But your knowledge of PC history is admirable. Here's a cookie.

[Zink Whistlefly]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Zink Whistlefly: Felix - Consoles use micro-processors too, in fact very little seperates the X-Box from the PC technically, yet it is a console. Classifying anything with a microprocessor as a Personal Computer is a completely moot point so I'll make this nice and easy - "IBM PC compatible" games. Now stop being difficult [img]tongue.gif[/img] . [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yes! A solid answer! Now, for the most part, you do realize the 'IBM Compatible' term is just another historical stone? You might want to look into a term called 'Wintel', as that is what most of all current users here have, and all current manufactured PCs are designed upon.

If you were just referring to game consoles, then you should have so stated. But please don't drag historical PCs, into the same category as a special use toy! The difference between any PC, and any game toy is simply put, BIOS, CPU, FSB, North Bridge, South Bridge, Memory Bank, IDE Bank, Video Bank, and PCI Bank for Wintel, add Math Coprocessor, ISA, Upper and Lower Memory, UART, and others for 'IBM Compatible' series PCs. An xbox might have a processor, but so does the control panel on my H-VAC system(Heat/Vent/Air Condition) which also has java script, what does the ps-2 use?.

Did you know? Apple's Apple II was the first PC to produce color graphics? circa 1977! I'm not being difficult, I'm just being historical. [/QUOTE]History is all good and well!

Yeah "Wintel" does seem to be creeping over the "IBM Compatible PC" term these days but I'm not so sure that it is here to stay in the long run, especially with AMD becoming more and more popular and getting a continally growing share of the market. It's certainly this round to AMD with the A64 vs P4 and the dual core war. Even Windows stands to be threatened by ever growing open source developments such as Linux, and now even MACs latest Linux based OSX which will now run on x86 hardware can emulate windows amazingly well (I have a friend using an A64 with OSX now which is pretty impressive). Unfortunately, Wintel will no doubt become the standard term for a while yet though, since few OEMs (and many, many consumers) still wouldn't think twice about AMD! Horrible reliability and heat issues which are things well burried in the past will sadly always cloud some peoples judgement of AMD - I can't imagine Wamd ever become used for that reason, even if Intel toppled.

Actually, the XBox has most of those things you mentioned - Motherboard with NB/SB/BIOS, CPU, dedicated GPU, IDE hard disk etc etc (although ISA is a standard long dead now) which was why i used that as my example. The internals of the XBox are pretty much identical to any PC - PSU, Intel PIII processor (733 MHz IIRC), Nvidia GPU (hybrid cross between a GF 2 and 3) - heck, you can even mod chip them and install windows XP, or even Linux on an XBox and use it as a media centre since the hardware is so generic. All I was trying to illustrate was that it can still be categorised as something other than a PC, even though it uses x86 hardware, and for all intents and purposes, is a PC. Not too hot on the PS2 though (other than its raw specs)!

You're right about some of these systems being before my time - the earliest home computer I remember using was the Sinclair ZX-81 when I was a wee nipper. Can't say I've ever had the pleasure of the Apple II!

[NiceWorg]

1. BG 2
2. Civ 3
3. Grand Prix 2
4. Fallout 1
5. Champ Manager 97/98
6. Flashpoint
7. BG 1
8. Jagged Alliance
9. Civ 2
10. RAC Rally

Civ 2 used to be my favourite, but I prolly couldnt play it today.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Zink Whistlefly: quote: Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Zink Whistlefly: Felix - Consoles use micro-processors too, in fact very little seperates the X-Box from the PC technically, yet it is a console. Classifying anything with a microprocessor as a Personal Computer is a completely moot point so I'll make this nice and easy - "IBM PC compatible" games. Now stop being difficult [img]tongue.gif[/img] . [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yes! A solid answer! Now, for the most part, you do realize the 'IBM Compatible' term is just another historical stone? You might want to look into a term called 'Wintel', as that is what most of all current users here have, and all current manufactured PCs are designed upon.

If you were just referring to game consoles, then you should have so stated. But please don't drag historical PCs, into the same category as a special use toy! The difference between any PC, and any game toy is simply put, BIOS, CPU, FSB, North Bridge, South Bridge, Memory Bank, IDE Bank, Video Bank, and PCI Bank for Wintel, add Math Coprocessor, ISA, Upper and Lower Memory, UART, and others for 'IBM Compatible' series PCs. An xbox might have a processor, but so does the control panel on my H-VAC system(Heat/Vent/Air Condition) which also has java script, what does the ps-2 use?.

Did you know? Apple's Apple II was the first PC to produce color graphics? circa 1977! I'm not being difficult, I'm just being historical. [/QUOTE]History is all good and well!

Yeah "Wintel" does seem to be creeping over the "IBM Compatible PC" term these days but I'm not so sure that it is here to stay in the long run, especially with AMD becoming more and more popular and getting a continally growing share of the market. It's certainly this round to AMD with the A64 vs P4 and the dual core war. Even Windows stands to be threatened by ever growing open source developments such as Linux, and now even MACs latest Linux based OSX which will now run on x86 hardware can emulate windows amazingly well (I have a friend using an A64 with OSX now which is pretty impressive). Unfortunately, Wintel will no doubt become the standard term for a while yet though, since few OEMs (and many, many consumers) still wouldn't think twice about AMD! Horrible reliability and heat issues which are things well burried in the past will sadly always cloud some peoples judgement of AMD - I can't imagine Wamd ever become used for that reason, even if Intel toppled.

Actually, the XBox has most of those things you mentioned - Motherboard with NB/SB/BIOS, CPU, dedicated GPU, IDE hard disk etc etc (although ISA is a standard long dead now) which was why i used that as my example. The internals of the XBox are pretty much identical to any PC - PSU, Intel PIII processor (733 MHz IIRC), Nvidia GPU (hybrid cross between a GF 2 and 3) - heck, you can even mod chip them and install windows XP, or even Linux on an XBox and use it as a media centre since the hardware is so generic. All I was trying to illustrate was that it can still be categorised as something other than a PC, even though it uses x86 hardware, and for all intents and purposes, is a PC. Not too hot on the PS2 though (other than its raw specs)!

You're right about some of these systems being before my time - the earliest home computer I remember using was the Sinclair ZX-81 when I was a wee nipper. Can't say I've ever had the pleasure of the Apple II! [/QUOTE]Cool Beans! xbox and others, lack the input/output of true PCs, that is why they carry the term console to this day. Surely an xbox may have more power than some PCs that are only used for internet purpose in the modern era, but I have yet to find one with USB, Firewire, Mouse, and Keyboard connections.
1. Pirates = 1,000's of hours
2. Civilization = 1,000's of hours
3. Cosmic Balance = 100's of hours
4. Elite = 100's of hours
5. Bards Tale (pre-2005) = 100's of hours
6. Bane of the Cosmic Forge = 100's of hours
7. Mech Warrior = 100's of hours
8. Empire Earth = 100's of hours
9. Morrowind = 100's of hours
10.Ultima = 1,000's of hours

This is my final list based off of Personal Computer type hardware. Some of these titles may yet be before your time, then again, so was the PC.

[ 09-10-2005, 09:02 AM: Message edited by: Felix The Assassin ]

[Jorath Calar]

Felix, may I suggest you change your name into "Felix the Besserwisser" ?

just a sugestion...

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by Jorath Calar: Felix, may I suggest you change your name into "Felix the Besserwisser" ? just a sugestion...

Nicht schlecht!
Wofür halten Sie mich?

[johnny]

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Jorath Calar: Felix, may I suggest you change your name into "Felix the Besserwisser" ? just a sugestion...

Nicht schlecht!
Wofür halten Sie mich? [/QUOTE]Fur ein arschloch ?

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally posted by johnny: quote: Originally posted by Felix The Assassin: quote: Originally posted by Jorath Calar: Felix, may I suggest you change your name into "Felix the Besserwisser" ? just a sugestion...

Nicht schlecht!
Wofür halten Sie mich? [/QUOTE]Fur ein arschloch ? [/QUOTE]Nay, a propos, heir ist Johnny!