Wolves as Endangered Species

Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Names and addresses please Neb [img]smile.gif[/img] There have been some people who have lived in the woods and studied the wolves but not lived WITH the wolves. When I lived in Minnessotta I had the chance to talk to a guy who raises Hybrid puppies that are part wolf. He had to quit raising wolves due to his inability to breed the vicious streak out of them. He loved them dearly, and still does but he said he would never trust his daughter around them. I also know of some scientists who swim with great whites too..doesnt mean they are pussycats.

MagiK, I remember reading an article in National Geo years ago, about some researchers that studied artic wolves. The researchers lived with, or rather lived next to the alpha male and alpha female of a pack. The pack had split up during the summer to for the alpha female to have her puppies. They were at a caribou calving area, so the wolves had plenty of food. The resarchers spent one night and 2 gal. of hot tea "marking" their territory, a 30yd radius around their tents, it took the alpha male 10 minutes to "mark" the other side of the researchers "markings".

I could dig out the Nat. Geo. if you want but I have 25 years of Nat.Geo. to look through [/QUOTE]Thanks JD thats all I was askin for was a reference of some sort that I could do the research myself. I didnt mean that I didn't believe neb, I just wanted some kind of focus to my search [img]smile.gif[/img]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by John D Harris: quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Names and addresses please Neb [img]smile.gif[/img] There have been some people who have lived in the woods and studied the wolves but not lived WITH the wolves. When I lived in Minnessotta I had the chance to talk to a guy who raises Hybrid puppies that are part wolf. He had to quit raising wolves due to his inability to breed the vicious streak out of them. He loved them dearly, and still does but he said he would never trust his daughter around them. I also know of some scientists who swim with great whites too..doesnt mean they are pussycats.

MagiK, I remember reading an article in National Geo years ago, about some researchers that studied artic wolves. The researchers lived with, or rather lived next to the alpha male and alpha female of a pack. The pack had split up during the summer to for the alpha female to have her puppies. They were at a caribou calving area, so the wolves had plenty of food. The resarchers spent one night and 2 gal. of hot tea "marking" their territory, a 30yd radius around their tents, it took the alpha male 10 minutes to "mark" the other side of the researchers "markings".

I could dig out the Nat. Geo. if you want but I have 25 years of Nat.Geo. to look through [/QUOTE]Thanks JD thats all I was askin for was a reference of some sort that I could do the research myself. I didnt mean that I didn't believe neb, I just wanted some kind of focus to my search [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]That's ok MagiK, I'm glad I don't have to look through all my Nat. Geo's If I remember correctly the artical was in an issue from the early 90's, it has a photo of a wolf jumping on the cover. Like the researchers I too was impressed with the Alpha male's marking ability, and he didn't even stop to drink and refill

Originally posted by WillowIX: We could cut down every tree on earth, we´re alomst there.

Not meaning to pick on you Willow but the notion that we have almost deforested the world is one of my pet peeves, wether it is the rain forest in South America or the Hardwood forests of north America, we are not denuding the earth. The rainforest is doing just fine and it has been publicly revealed that the disappearing south american rainforest was a scam run from california to bilk millions of dollars from millions of people.

Online Sattelite photos will show you that the Amazon Rain Forest is doing just fine, and will show you that there is plenty of Timber left in the North American continent too.

It has been decades since timber companies clear cut and left waste. Timber companies replant thelands that they cut from and do a credible job of managing the lands in their care...when allowed. When they get interfered with then you get wild fires like we have been seeing in the west recently.

It is also known that younger faster growing trees are the ones that produce more oxygen and scrub the most co2 from the air.

Im not sure but I think the wolves could care less if it is old growth or young growth [img]smile.gif[/img]

Just had to express this and like I said, wasn't ment to be offensive ,just informative. Pax!

[pritchke]

We are nature's guardians, or caretakers and we have been doing a very poor job.

[Mouse]

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[Sir Krustin]

Originally posted by Neb: Then why the hell do dog/wolf hybrids exist? TELL ME THAT.

Simple - they don't. That was my whole point.

[Sir Krustin]

Originally posted by Neb: quote: Hmm, that would explain a few things.

Thanks for the insult, your posts shall be ignored from now on, have a nice day.[/QUOTE]Frankly, I was in a hurry this morning (had to get to the shop to finish a motor job), so I didn't stop to elaborate but my intention wasn't to insult.

I was quite serious; my point was that wiccans worship nature in the form of mother gaia. Since you followed some wiccan beliefs, that implied that you think nature is above man.

[Sir Krustin]

Originally posted by John D Harris: The same thing goes for the wolves that Sir Krustin is refering too. Sir Krustin is from British Columbia, people are far from driving the wolves prey away from there. There vast areas of BC that the number humans that have "walked through" in the last 50 years can be counted on one hand. Except for around the cities, towns, and a few ski resorts BC is as wild as it was when Mammoths walked the earth.

Err, I'm from Ontario.

I believe I should clarify some points. When I say wolves I mean wolves and coyote, with coyote being the preemminent threat. Up here, a lot of people confuse coyote for wolf.

The area I live in is moderately well populated (you have to go north about 30 min to get to real wilderness) with farming a major occupation.

Wolf attacks DO happen, but the coyote attacks are far more common.

[Sir Krustin]

Originally posted by Moni: (those were Arizona coyotes, not Texas coyotes...I forget that not everyone here knows I have only lived in Texas for three years and I apologize for the confusion there. I would imagine that the Texas coyotes are comparable to theose in AZ but I have yet to spend time in any of the unpopulated areas in this state to really see anything of what Texas wildlife has to offer)

Actually, I was using AZ coyotes as a referrent, inferring that they were similar to TX coyotes (similar environment).

I'm familiar with AZ coyote, having been down there to visit with a local guide.

Originally posted by Moni: I thought I was anal. LMAO EDIT: something outrageous or blameworthy is fitting btw..I couldn't type it out while I was laughing so hard.

Actually there is a piece of the outrageous or blameworthy that got deleted or removed some how, it continues to give an example of the blameworth or outrageous which indicates that it wouldn't fit where that word was being used.

Here is the actual definition, the dictionary page used symbols that made parts of the text invisible....

2 a : something very difficult or dangerous (the traffic was murder) b : something outrageous or blameworthy (getting away with murder)

Yes you are right, it is a bit anal of me to stick to the correct terms of particular words (like niggardly) But what can I say? It is a particular pet peeve of mine when people anthropamorphize animals ... go figure.

And lest anyone think I am a heartless bastard, I do care about animals and treating them with kindness respect. I owned several dogs as I grew up, and had to put two of them down my self after one got hit by a car and the other tangled with a porcupine. I always made sure to do my best to kill instantly when hunting and actually felt ill when I messed up and the animal suffered before I could finish the job.

[ 10-19-2002, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]