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This idea that one tragedy got more "outcry" than the other is quite subjective and it's validity certainly questionable.
Sounds to me alot like playing the "victim" card in an attempt to move discussion away from the important central themes to sideshows of blame and namecalling.
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The validity of that assertion is firm. Tell you what -- you go dig up articles telling us how evil the beheading or the burned contractors were and I'll go dig up articles telling us how evil the Abu Ghraib events are, and we'll compare -- betcha dollars to donuts I win.
But, to follow your cue, the whole "playing the victim" thin at Abu Ghraib only serves to move the discussion away from the important central themes -- that these are terrorists and deserve nothing other than hellfire and brimstone and a boot up the ass. |
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BTW, the dragging, dismemberment and burning of the contractor corpses was done before cheering crowds of Iraqi's - yet the global media seems to imply that the Americans "deserved" this treatment and we should be "sympathetic" towards the opressed Iraqi's. I wonder what the reaction in the media (and the rest of the world) would have been if the pictures and video from Abu Ghraib had been received with rounds of cheering and applause among the American audience. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img] Actually, I don't have to wonder at all, because we are being universally condemned for the relative handful of soldiers that committed these acts and facing accusations from several sources that "nothing is being done about the abuses", even though there is a great deal of evidence that the incidents were being investigated LONG before the media ever got hold of any pictures. And that's the difference that is being overlooked here. The American military IS investigating the incidents that occurred and the charges HAVE been brought against those that participated in the acts. I haven't heard of any charges being brought against the Iraqi's that beheaded the soldier or the ones that burned the corpses of American contractors yet. THAT is the point Senator Miller was making, Donut. If you care to read the speech again, you will note that Senator Miller specifically says that he does not condone the acts of the prison guards and that they should be dealt swift and sure punishment for their actions.
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Under Saddam Abu Ghraib was a premiere torture and execution facility, where several thousand Iraqis simply disappeared. Just an FYI.
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And now it seems some WMD have been found. You know, maybe America wasn't all that wrong after all.
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You should read up on some of the abuses handed out by the British in the Port Arthur penal colony, India, South Africa, and of course Ireland. I would call starving masses of the Irish during the "potato blight" one of the most horrific abuses in human history. So are the clearances of the Scottish highlands by English aristocrats. I find your protestations and holier than thou finger pointing at other nations laughable given what atrocities your own people have commited. Yes the abuses in Iraq are disgusting and should not have occured, but lets leave out the ritualistic slagging off America seems to routinely recieve from you. As I have said repeatedly, due to your own peoples history you are in possibly the worst position to cry judgement. Were Britain still #1, I see no reason why the behaviour would be any different. |
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