The U.S. as seen from a world perspective, politically. Your opinion please!

oops think I just figured out the quote thing...sheesh I should RTFM.

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[skywalker]

When I wrote about the work environment, it had nothing to do with trees and everything to do with safety regs, health care, and all the lay-offs (me being one of them). It appears that profit means more than the needs of the people who do the work and it is far better to cut out employees than sacrifice top management's gravy. The needs of stock holders are more important than the needs of the average workers.

Also, it seems, the US economy is by far more important than the world environment and the safety (ABM) of all nations.

Mark

[Ladyzekke]

I work for a Patent law office. We have a client who is from the Netherlands. They soon are going to FINALLY, after 14 years of work, advertise and promote their inventions this October in the U.S. It concerns farming and safety re monitoring a cow's health conditions. Can't go into much detail, but High-Tech doesn't even begin to explain these inventions. I imagine by next year, everyone worldwide will know of this, if it actually works out as planned anyways. I truly hope that it will help, even though unfortunately it will most likely drive local farmers out of business, as they won't be able to afford such technology.



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I think anyone who believes global warming isn't possible, really needs to do some homework. It is a measurable global climate change that is currently happening and is being studied. More data is gathered every year, and climate takes a long time to change and to study. One thing is certain, The industrialistation of the world can cause it. Take away the huge tracts of rainforest around the equator, for example, that recycle and cool the air, and that air will get warmer.
Also, the newwer information about the deep ocean water currents that pushes colder, heavier artic water to the equatorial oceans and warmer water north.It's the earths temperature regulator. Anyway, there is evidence that global warming would disrupt this process if the artic oceans warm up just the slightest. It may have already begun.

The United States pulling out of the Kyoto agreement was a shameful slap to the face for our allies and neighbors worldwide and our leadership deserves the critism it's recieved. Symbolically it says "We care for our money more than you care for the world."

As a side note-I'd rather have a smooth adulterer as a leader, than a dumb, corporate-puppet frat-boy. I think "The Bush" fooled all the intelligent people who voted for him real nice. All the dumb people voted for him cause he's just like them.
By the way, I Voted for someone who doesn't look to the polls to decide if he's concerned for the enviroment.

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Originally posted by skywalker: it is far better to cut out employees than sacrifice top management's gravy. The needs of stock holders are more important than the needs of the average workers. Also, it seems, the US economy is by far more important than the world environment and the safety (ABM) of all nations. Mark

of course, this is not something you should blame on. it is "take it, or change it"
stockholders always win, if you don't like it, try to become one of them. or you have to live with the harsh facts and being push around all your life

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Originally posted by G'kar: I think anyone who believes global warming isn't possible, really needs to do some homework. It is a measurable global climate change that is currently happening and is being studied. More data is gathered every year, and climate takes a long time to change and to study. One thing is certain, The industrialistation of the world can cause it. Take away the huge tracts of rainforest around the equator, for example, that recycle and cool the air, and that air will get warmer. Also, the newwer information about the deep ocean water currents that pushes colder, heavier artic water to the equatorial oceans and warmer water north.It's the earths temperature regulator. Anyway, there is evidence that global warming would disrupt this process if the artic oceans warm up just the slightest. It may have already begun. The United States pulling out of the Kyoto agreement was a shameful slap to the face for our allies and neighbors worldwide and our leadership deserves the critism it's recieved. Symbolically it says "We care for our money more than you care for the world." As a side note-I'd rather have a smooth adulterer as a leader, than a dumb, corporate-puppet frat-boy. I think "The Bush" fooled all the intelligent people who voted for him real nice. All the dumb people voted for him cause he's just like them. By the way, I Voted for someone who doesn't look to the polls to decide if he's concerned for the enviroment.

does that mean, the people has little power next to nothing to control their government? democratic sounds more and more like a lie, a rich people's toy to me then.

[Donut]

I think there has been some misunderstanding about the term 'socialist' as it is used in Europe. Socialism is not necessarily the same as Communism. Socialism in Europe is considered to be left of centre politics. Britain is definitely not a socialist country (if only it was). The Labour Party, who are in power at the moment were always a socialist party before Tony Blair became leader. They found it impossible to be elected with left wing policies and made a fundamental shift to the right, usurping the position of the Conservative Party. The Conservatives have now had to move even further to the right to such an extent that they now occupy the ground that was formally occupied by Attila the Hun. . Next week the Conservatives (who would equate to the Republicans in the US) elect a new leader and at that stage they are likely to implode. I can't see the Conservatives gaining power again for at least ten years.

Anyway I digress, the point I think Rikard was trying to make in his original post is that the Democrats in the US, who would be considered to be on the left of US politics, hold policies that are more right wing than most of the governments in Europe.

Foot and Mouth isn't really a European problem, only a British one. There have been a few cases reported in France, Holland and Ireland but there have been over 2,000 in Britain. The cost to the economy has been estimated as £4.1 billion (that's a British billion rather than an American billion ) 20 to 30 thousand jobs may be lost in the tourist industry and there has been a 10% decrease in foreign visitors to Britain (mostly you woossy Americans )

Foot and Mouth disease can't be caught by humans, I love to eat beef but then again I'm mad anyway.

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I am a stockholder, not on a very large scale, but just the same. At least I understand that it takes the people doing the work to make the profit.

Mark

G'Kar I am not disputing "Global Warming" as an event, it is a fact that some (and I point out by no means ALL) regions are experienceing higher than normal temps. I just recently read in popular science that the North Atlantic area including Iceland, Greenland and parts of britain are experiencing an unusually cool summer. I know here in the North East USA we are too. But that was not my assertion, MY assertion is that there is NO proof that MAN is the cause. There are records of much warmer climates than we now experience (fossil records that is) and there are also living people hwo remember years when there were more blizzards than we have had of late. The truth is, NO one really knows whats up. We plot trends we make guesses but in the end, our weather and climate predicitons suck when projected out more than a few days. Just for example. Last year the East Coast of the USA was warned to brace for the worst hurricane season in history, there were dire predictions of massive destruction all along the east coast to be followed by a horrendously bad winter with record snowfalls.....we ended up having fewer hurricanes hitting the coast than normal and with only two notable winter storms we had a very mild winter. Climatology, weather forcasting and all the related sciences at this point are not a lot better than old folk predictions. Yes we can predict the weather a few days in advance with some accuracy....but proving cause and effect isn't even on the radar yet. Any way those are the things that I think and have discussed with the people I know. I have no definitive answers but I believe at this point that anyone who says they know whats causeing what weather wise is pumping bilge and looking for a handout in the form of a government grant.

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[Diogenes Of Pumpkintown]

Originally posted by MagiK: . I tried to put some hard won insights gained over the years. I would also say that I am probably also the oldest person who has seen the most commings and goings of doom sayers. I will refrain from voicing unpopular points of view in the forum from now on since it is obviously not what is wanted. I apologize to all who felt threatened, insulted and or in any other way demeaned by my disagreement with them. Moradin, you asked why post numbers at all...I say don't. Notice I used very few actual numbers. I don't trust them because I have seen for myself that with statistical analysis and some fudging here and there you can prove anything you want with numbers. Please don't allow any of my ranting disturb you, feel free to believe anything you want. You have that right as a human being.

Come now, don't try to hide behind a claim of general skepticism when what you are really doing is sticking your head in the sand because you don't want to believe it. Don't try to pretend that the belief that the earth's ecosystems are being stressed to an alarming degree is something that people are just making up without evidence to support it.

You say you want to warn everyone not to automatically believe everything they read or hear -- well, no shit. Got any other great insights like that one?

Your argument seems to amount to the following: Because the most extreme, absolute darkest doomsday predictions of th 1970s have not occurred, it is therefore safe to assume that everything is just fine with the environment today and that all claims to the contrary are complete bullshit.

Listen -- you don't have to believe a word any "doomsdayer" says, all you have to do is open your friggin eyes to what is going on in the world, around you every day, and think about the implications.

Wilful blindness and ignorance is NOT honest skepticism. Instead, it amounts to an unreasonable refusal to even look at the evidence that is out there.

You asked Moridin to back up what he was saying with facts, in the apparent assumption that he would not be able to. When he did, you then basically said that you weren't going to look at the facts either, because you couldn't trust them.

Well, that's just wonderful. A position of inevitable ignorance.

If the issue really matters to you, why don't you take the time to actually look into it? As Moridin says, looking into the facts and information out there is not simply a matter of swallowing blindly the first thing you read. You have a brain -- use it!

Sorry if the tone of this post is a bit annoyed, but what you seem to be saying really gets under my skin. Basically, like many, many people, you are throwing your hands up into the air, refusing to even study the problem because you claim you are "skeptical", and then presuming to deny that problems exist out of the resulting ignorance and wishful thinking. Burns me up.