Personal safety issues and my recent experience - Page 9

WOLFGIR · 01-31-2002, 07:33 AM

Iaido, Kendo and Kenjutso are sword and staff based Martial arts. Some Kung Fu schools do train with weapons, the Nunchako has its own martial art form. Bujutsu, Ninjutsu and Taijutsu are traditionally weapon orientated weapon training martial art forms. Though most countries consider the arming oneself with thoose kind of weapons an offense, and some late studies shows that people with weapon usually gets more hurt than the unarmed due to the fact they are prepaired to use weapon against the aggressor.

And Lennon, try and find a realactment group close by. Some of the more advanced and serious ones train with sword, knife, spear, bow, shield and full armour. At the least you will get a good workout!

Peppersprays are sometimes formed as a long thin cylinder usfeul both for spraying and using as a knucklesupport, but some of these sprays you need a license for. Varies wildly between countries and states for US I think..

Footwear is a good option, if you have time to plan, steel toes are a good defensive weapon against aggressors, sneakers for flight, stiletto heels can be devastating, but only as a first diversion..
Keys as noted before you usually carry with you, good for scratching oopnent and for sticking into eyes, adams apple and so on.

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: WOLFGIR ]

01-31-2002, 01:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Nachtrafe:

One thing...I have to respectfully disagree with you Moni on a small point. While jujitsu *is* good, most(not all, but most) Tae Kwan Do training sucks! The American TKD Association has turned a noble, serious, wonderful Art into a 'happy meal'-ized cash cow. I have studied in 3 differnt TKD schools and toured with/sparred with/been in tournaments with many other schools. And the pervasive attitude was NOT one of readiness or preparedness. It was one of COCKYNESS AND ARROGANCE! And I guarantee, both of those things WILL get you hurt in a bad situation.

Now, that's not to say that there aren't good TKD schools out there...there are...but the good ones are harder to find than you think. Anyway...this is just my opinion, but it *is* based on some rather unpleasant personal experiences.

I guess I just got very lucky by being trained by black belt holding family members (tae kwan do, judo, jusitsu & karate) in private sessions. Non-cocky, non-arrogant people I might add...very focused people, learned in the arts and serious about only using the techniques in self defense with deadly precision if need be.

While you seeem to have unpleasant experiences, I do know that there are some schools in existence that still teach the art true to itself. Not all is lost in the art-form...there are just a few people out there taking advantage of the fact that we live in a violent society and they can make money off of it. That is after all, the American Way as they were taught it.
Martial arts is not a game of strong-man and whoever treats it as such is sure to go down. I would bet that if you inquired of the instructors who treat it as a game of strong-man, you'd find out they were losers in competitions.

Watch the re-runs of Kung-Fu...Caine was a humble man...a trait that belongs in the teachings.

One can teach themselves the basics as I mentioned being what I reccommended, through books available from the local library, local bookstores or online purchases.
There is no need to spend top dollar to learn how to bend back a man's pinky finger in order to get him to let go of you or how to twist a wrist and bring a person to their knees (the perfect position for kicking them in the face I might add lol).

Granted, there are basic "freeing techniques" that require a partner for practice but I am sure we all have a close friend or spouse willing to help us learn self defense with no threat of personal harm to them and what we learn with a partner can be learned by both people in private (and fun) surroundings.

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: Moni ]

01-31-2002, 01:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Durwyn:
Indeed it doesnt... But self defence doesnt always work, as a matter of fact it really rarely works, espesially on someone who is new to fighting. Trust me, its a whole different thing when you're actually learning self defence moves in a school with your teacher and a nice atmosphere, and when you're on a dark corner of a city street getting attacked by some dangerously looking thugs, its a rush, shock and a whole different experience, I knew people who were really great at my Martial art school but when it came to the real thing they totally lost control, confidence, and any desire to even fight. Thats is exactly where the gun comes in. Besides it doesnt have to big a big gun, any kind will work [img]smile.gif[/img] . Most of the robbers and thugs themselves are naturally wimps, they will run away even if you point an empty gun at them hehe [img]smile.gif[/img] .

Used to watch guys who were really into martial arts get their butts handed to them in the bars when I was in the Service. But by the same token getting agun won't do Cloudy any good if she isnt proficient with it and unafraid to use it. Basicly to really protect yourself you have to realize, the situation can be life or death and you need to have the desire to do what it takes to live.

If you have a gun and hesitate or are unwilling to harm another "human" being because maybe they just need rehabilitated or maybe they just had a bad upbringing you will get yourself killed, perhaps with your own gun.

Weapons are ONE option...martial arts...may or may not provide an edge but one thing our company here in the Nations one time Murder Capitol found nearly 100% effective in protecting women is the escort of a man! We escort ladies to and from their cars in the parking lot.
Nothing seems to intimidate attackers quite so much as a large muscular man. (An openly armed escort might...but we don't do that)

Of the options of martial Arts, being armed or having a male escort, only the male escort doesnt require the potential victim to completely change their life style which is what Martial arts would do..you would have to continuously practice, practice, practice Guns to a much lesser extent have this same draw back.

Not trying to drag the gender thread into this one, Im just pointing out how MY company keeps the ladies safe..Im sure others do it too.

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

01-31-2002, 01:49 PM

Lacking an escort (an excellent attacker-repellant), I believe Cloudy did the right thing just by remaining ALERT and acting appropriately to her gut instincts.
She avoided any physical confrontation...the best way to assure her safety by far.

01-31-2002, 01:54 PM

Oh I agree Cloudy made the absolute best of a bad situation [img]smile.gif[/img]

Cloudbringer · 01-31-2002, 04:26 PM

Lennon, thanks for clarifying. I'm afraid it was hard to see what you intended in the original. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Moni, that's great you had private training with people who took things seriously!

Magik, yes, escorts work and believe it or not at my Univ. a service exists that has two people a male and a female student escort women to the parking lot, bus stop or anyplace else at night. They are based in the library which stays open late. And no, gun is not a realistic option for me, as I would hesitate, no question.

Nacht, [img]graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img] Guess you will have to show me some things, love.

Cloudy

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

Epona · 02-01-2002, 12:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MagiK:

Used to watch guys who were really into martial arts get their butts handed to them in the bars when I was in the Service. But by the same token getting agun won't do Cloudy any good if she isnt proficient with it and unafraid to use it. Basicly to really protect yourself you have to realize, the situation can be life or death and you need to have the desire to do what it takes to live.

If you have a gun and hesitate or are unwilling to harm another "human" being because maybe they just need rehabilitated or maybe they just had a bad upbringing you will get yourself killed, perhaps with your own gun.

Weapons are ONE option...martial arts...may or may not provide an edge but one thing our company here in the Nations one time Murder Capitol found nearly 100% effective in protecting women is the escort of a man! We escort ladies to and from their cars in the parking lot.
Nothing seems to intimidate attackers quite so much as a large muscular man. (An openly armed escort might...but we don't do that)

Of the options of martial Arts, being armed or having a male escort, only the male escort doesnt require the potential victim to completely change their life style which is what Martial arts would do..you would have to continuously practice, practice, practice Guns to a much lesser extent have this same draw back.

Not trying to drag the gender thread into this one, Im just pointing out how MY company keeps the ladies safe..Im sure others do it too.

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

Don't know about the US, but in the UK the most frequent victims of physical attack are 19-26 year old males - NOT women.

Melusine · 02-01-2002, 12:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Epona:

Don't know about the US, but in the UK the most frequent victims of physical attack are 19-26 year old males - NOT women.

The same is true in Holland, Epona. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Redblueflare · 02-01-2002, 01:12 PM

Oh man, sorry to hear about that Cloudy. It's a shame that people have to go through stuff like that anywhere! [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] Thank goodness you came out of that alright!

Epona · 02-01-2002, 01:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Melusine:

The same is true in Holland, Epona. [img]smile.gif[/img]

And the last time I had statistics available for the US, in some city areas murder was the number one cause of death amongst men of that age group.

01-31-2002, 07:33 AM	#81
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 3,450	Iaido, Kendo and Kenjutso are sword and staff based Martial arts. Some Kung Fu schools do train with weapons, the Nunchako has its own martial art form. Bujutsu, Ninjutsu and Taijutsu are traditionally weapon orientated weapon training martial art forms. Though most countries consider the arming oneself with thoose kind of weapons an offense, and some late studies shows that people with weapon usually gets more hurt than the unarmed due to the fact they are prepaired to use weapon against the aggressor. And Lennon, try and find a realactment group close by. Some of the more advanced and serious ones train with sword, knife, spear, bow, shield and full armour. At the least you will get a good workout! Peppersprays are sometimes formed as a long thin cylinder usfeul both for spraying and using as a knucklesupport, but some of these sprays you need a license for. Varies wildly between countries and states for US I think.. Footwear is a good option, if you have time to plan, steel toes are a good defensive weapon against aggressors, sneakers for flight, stiletto heels can be devastating, but only as a first diversion.. Keys as noted before you usually carry with you, good for scratching oopnent and for sticking into eyes, adams apple and so on. [ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: WOLFGIR ] __________________ Don´t eat the yellow snow

01-31-2002, 01:19 PM	#82
Moni Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Nachtrafe: One thing...I have to respectfully disagree with you Moni on a small point. While jujitsu is good, most(not all, but most) Tae Kwan Do training sucks! The American TKD Association has turned a noble, serious, wonderful Art into a 'happy meal'-ized cash cow. I have studied in 3 differnt TKD schools and toured with/sparred with/been in tournaments with many other schools. And the pervasive attitude was NOT one of readiness or preparedness. It was one of COCKYNESS AND ARROGANCE! And I guarantee, both of those things WILL get you hurt in a bad situation. Now, that's not to say that there aren't good TKD schools out there...there are...but the good ones are harder to find than you think. Anyway...this is just my opinion, but it is based on some rather unpleasant personal experiences. I guess I just got very lucky by being trained by black belt holding family members (tae kwan do, judo, jusitsu & karate) in private sessions. Non-cocky, non-arrogant people I might add...very focused people, learned in the arts and serious about only using the techniques in self defense with deadly precision if need be. While you seeem to have unpleasant experiences, I do know that there are some schools in existence that still teach the art true to itself. Not all is lost in the art-form...there are just a few people out there taking advantage of the fact that we live in a violent society and they can make money off of it. That is after all, the American Way as they were taught it. Martial arts is not a game of strong-man and whoever treats it as such is sure to go down. I would bet that if you inquired of the instructors who treat it as a game of strong-man, you'd find out they were losers in competitions. Watch the re-runs of Kung-Fu...Caine was a humble man...a trait that belongs in the teachings. One can teach themselves the basics as I mentioned being what I reccommended, through books available from the local library, local bookstores or online purchases. There is no need to spend top dollar to learn how to bend back a man's pinky finger in order to get him to let go of you or how to twist a wrist and bring a person to their knees (the perfect position for kicking them in the face I might add lol). Granted, there are basic "freeing techniques" that require a partner for practice but I am sure we all have a close friend or spouse willing to help us learn self defense with no threat of personal harm to them and what we learn with a partner can be learned by both people in private (and fun) surroundings. [ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: Moni ]

01-31-2002, 01:39 PM	#83
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Durwyn: Indeed it doesnt... But self defence doesnt always work, as a matter of fact it really rarely works, espesially on someone who is new to fighting. Trust me, its a whole different thing when you're actually learning self defence moves in a school with your teacher and a nice atmosphere, and when you're on a dark corner of a city street getting attacked by some dangerously looking thugs, its a rush, shock and a whole different experience, I knew people who were really great at my Martial art school but when it came to the real thing they totally lost control, confidence, and any desire to even fight. Thats is exactly where the gun comes in. Besides it doesnt have to big a big gun, any kind will work [img]smile.gif[/img] . Most of the robbers and thugs themselves are naturally wimps, they will run away even if you point an empty gun at them hehe [img]smile.gif[/img] . Used to watch guys who were really into martial arts get their butts handed to them in the bars when I was in the Service. But by the same token getting agun won't do Cloudy any good if she isnt proficient with it and unafraid to use it. Basicly to really protect yourself you have to realize, the situation can be life or death and you need to have the desire to do what it takes to live. If you have a gun and hesitate or are unwilling to harm another "human" being because maybe they just need rehabilitated or maybe they just had a bad upbringing you will get yourself killed, perhaps with your own gun. Weapons are ONE option...martial arts...may or may not provide an edge but one thing our company here in the Nations one time Murder Capitol found nearly 100% effective in protecting women is the escort of a man! We escort ladies to and from their cars in the parking lot. Nothing seems to intimidate attackers quite so much as a large muscular man. (An openly armed escort might...but we don't do that) Of the options of martial Arts, being armed or having a male escort, only the male escort doesnt require the potential victim to completely change their life style which is what Martial arts would do..you would have to continuously practice, practice, practice Guns to a much lesser extent have this same draw back. Not trying to drag the gender thread into this one, Im just pointing out how MY company keeps the ladies safe..Im sure others do it too. [ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

01-31-2002, 04:26 PM	#86
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	Lennon, thanks for clarifying. I'm afraid it was hard to see what you intended in the original. [img]smile.gif[/img] Moni, that's great you had private training with people who took things seriously! Magik, yes, escorts work and believe it or not at my Univ. a service exists that has two people a male and a female student escort women to the parking lot, bus stop or anyplace else at night. They are based in the library which stays open late. And no, gun is not a realistic option for me, as I would hesitate, no question. Nacht, [img]graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img] Guess you will have to show me some things, love. Cloudy [ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ] __________________ "Don't take life for granted." Animal (may he rest in peace)

02-01-2002, 12:52 PM	#87
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 53 Posts: 5,164	quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Used to watch guys who were really into martial arts get their butts handed to them in the bars when I was in the Service. But by the same token getting agun won't do Cloudy any good if she isnt proficient with it and unafraid to use it. Basicly to really protect yourself you have to realize, the situation can be life or death and you need to have the desire to do what it takes to live. If you have a gun and hesitate or are unwilling to harm another "human" being because maybe they just need rehabilitated or maybe they just had a bad upbringing you will get yourself killed, perhaps with your own gun. Weapons are ONE option...martial arts...may or may not provide an edge but one thing our company here in the Nations one time Murder Capitol found nearly 100% effective in protecting women is the escort of a man! We escort ladies to and from their cars in the parking lot. Nothing seems to intimidate attackers quite so much as a large muscular man. (An openly armed escort might...but we don't do that) Of the options of martial Arts, being armed or having a male escort, only the male escort doesnt require the potential victim to completely change their life style which is what Martial arts would do..you would have to continuously practice, practice, practice Guns to a much lesser extent have this same draw back. Not trying to drag the gender thread into this one, Im just pointing out how MY company keeps the ladies safe..Im sure others do it too. [ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ] Don't know about the US, but in the UK the most frequent victims of physical attack are 19-26 year old males - NOT women. __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-31-2002, 01:49 PM	#84
Moni Guest Posts: n/a	Lacking an escort (an excellent attacker-repellant), I believe Cloudy did the right thing just by remaining ALERT and acting appropriately to her gut instincts. She avoided any physical confrontation...the best way to assure her safety by far.

01-31-2002, 01:54 PM	#85
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	Oh I agree Cloudy made the absolute best of a bad situation [img]smile.gif[/img]

02-01-2002, 12:58 PM	#88
Melusine Dracolisk Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Age: 44 Posts: 6,541	quote: Originally posted by Epona: Don't know about the US, but in the UK the most frequent victims of physical attack are 19-26 year old males - NOT women. The same is true in Holland, Epona. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ [img]\"hosted/melusine.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Your voice is ambrosia

02-01-2002, 01:12 PM	#89
Redblueflare Galvatron Join Date: May 9, 2001 Location: The backwoods in Georgia sigh Age: 40 Posts: 2,151	Oh man, sorry to hear about that Cloudy. It's a shame that people have to go through stuff like that anywhere! [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] Thank goodness you came out of that alright! __________________ <br /><br />\"If you ever need me just whistle, and i\'ll come running. I promise. <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Smile]\" src=\"smile.gif\" /> <br />Kupo, Kupo! A man can\'t get a sword if he can\'t dance! <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Big Grin]\" src=\"biggrin.gif\" />

02-01-2002, 01:30 PM	#90
Epona Zartan Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: London, England Age: 53 Posts: 5,164	quote: Originally posted by Melusine: The same is true in Holland, Epona. [img]smile.gif[/img] And the last time I had statistics available for the US, in some city areas murder was the number one cause of death amongst men of that age group. __________________ [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/epona.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

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