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And none of that was meant in a nasty way. And you’re not supposed to nest quotes. |
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05-17-2002, 04:15 PM | #83 |
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Regarding Satanism, I worked in a studio with a Satanist, who would speak of the power a human gains from eating another human. He would glowingly and in detail, speak of ancient Hindu rites involving human sacrifices and subsequent consumption to gain their 'power'.
Put simply, he knew a lot about rituals and their motivations that some here claim don't exist. I also have a very good friend. A female vocalist I produced, whose childhood sanity was ripped apart, when as a child she was subjected to repeated Satanic rituals of sexual abuse, while tied to a stake, with the approval of her watching father. She spent her adolescance in escapist drugs and related activities for support, until she sought sanctuary one night in a church. This started an astounding journey, that ended up with her becoming a Worship Pastor at a huge Australian Church. When looking at her, and speaking with her you would assume she was from a conservative Christian home, with a 'normal' (what is normal anyway?) background. Such is the healing power of the Holy Spirit. She is one of the most beautiful, gracious, wonderous women I've ever known. |
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And none of that was meant in a nasty way. And you’re not supposed to nest quotes.[/QB][/QUOTE]I dont think so. It sure looked like you were trying to be annoying If you show me how not to nest quotes Ill be happy to comply while your at it, show me how to use colors and Ill play with those too [img]smile.gif[/img] |
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Im glad you were able to help that girl. |
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05-17-2002, 05:49 PM | #86 |
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I didn't help her. At the time she told me this, she was helping me.
Both her father, and my co-worker called themselves 'Satanists', not 'Gothic Satanists'. I'm not arguing whether they were or not, nor whether all Satanists do that or not. How could I quantify such a statement? What I am doing is relating firsthand, related information about people I know. |
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05-17-2002, 05:55 PM | #88 |
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Whether they be Satanists or not, or of any other classification, I have some words which would fit those people rather accurately.
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Once they are old enough to understand thier sins, and the consequences of committing them, then God sets a higher standard. They then have to choose whether they will accept or reject the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as an atonement for their sins. If they do, their sins are wiped clean - totally erased. However, that doesn't mean they are free to "do whatever they want because God will automatically forgive them". It doesn't work that way. If they continue to commit the same sin over and over without repenting, they will be punished for it. But that punishment won't be an eternity in Hell - that is God's last resort punishment. Every single person literally has the opportunity to accept God right up to the time that they draw their last breath. The thief on the cross gained that type of Holy Pardon of Sin from God. He didn't have a chance to repent, but he recognized his sinful nature and asked Jesus to remember him when He stood before His Father. By acknowledging your sin and sincerely asking God to forgive those sins, you gain an immediate and complete forgiveness for ALL the sins you have committed up to that point. Quote:
One quick example I used in another thread of having faith before receiving proof. When I was little (5-6) my cousin tried to talk me into dropping a plastic glass on the sidewalk in front of her house. I wouldn't because I had broken glasses before and thought she was just trying to get me into trouble. However, she kept promising me the glass wouldn't break. But she would not drop it herself. She said I would just have to trust her. Eventually, curiousity overcame caution and I dropped the glass. By having faith that my cousin wasn't lying, I took a chance and received the proof as a result. Also, once you accept Jesus Christ and are filled with the Holy Spirit, the Bible becomes MUCH easier to understand. Until then, I agree that it is VERY difficult to decipher. Quote:
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If you've ever played AD&D, think of Satan as a high-level thief trying to dethrone a powerful paladin-turned-king that rules the land. Is he going to walk into the throne room and challenge the king to a swordfight. NO. He will almost definitely lose. Instead, he goes throughout the land, spreading rumors of atrocities committed by the king in secret. That he tortures and kills anyone who does not show proper piety. He will sow seeds of dissent among the king's own guard. He doesn't challenge the king directly. Instead he uses lies, rumors, and half-truths to turn the populance against the king, thus robbing him of his power. The people don't even realize they are "attacking" the king. They beleive they are rebelling against a wolf in sheeps clothing. Quote:
I have ALWAYS considered myself to be Christian. I was raised in a Christian home and I've gone to church since I was a child. HOWEVER, I put off accepting Jesus Christ as my Savior for several years. If I had died before my Salvation, then all of my upbringing and the fact that I was a genuinely "nice" person (by most accounts anyway) would have been for naught. I would STILL have gone to Hell and I would have had nobody to blame but myself. I've known from the age of 14 or so that I SHOULD make that commitment to accept Jesus and serve God, but I didn't actually do it until I was 26. God was VERY gracious to me during that time. I sinned openly without restraint and with no moral dilemmas (nothing bad, mind you, just normal everyday, young-male stuff). Fortunately, God had a purpose for me and He suffered through that period of disobediance to bring me where I am today. The journey has not been easy, but I wouldn't change anything that He has done for me.
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In fact one could say that, that seems rather a rather perverse and evil thing to do, indeed it seems to go against the whole idea of god being merciful. Indeed it goes against the idea of him being just as well, since he punishes people for something they could not stop from doing since he made them that way, and has full knowledge that most of them will not or cannot be saved by accepting him. Also if man has an inherently sinful nature, why does god set such high standards for us? Since if we have a sinful nature, we are obviously not capable of reaching them. Quote:
So basically what this is asking you to do, is to have double standards, one for religion where you must take it *all* on faith, and one for other articles of knowledge which can either be proved if you really wish to, or proved as part of the process of them becoming knowledge. Quote:
If we are gods children and all so special to him, why does he allow the vast majority of us to go to hell, and why did he create us with the flawed natures that make this so? also this is not giveing us free will either, since like a compass turns to magnetic north all the time, so shall we always turn to sin. [ 05-18-2002, 04:59 AM: Message edited by: Dramnek_Ulk ] |
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