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[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Night Stalker: But it is one thing to tolerate intolerant ideas, and another to oppose intolerant actions that infringe upon the liberties of another. I can't speak for Chewie, but I think that is where he is going with his rant.

More or less. The 'spirit' behind rejecting intolerance in the name of tolerance differs greatly from the 'spirit' of intolerance. In my humble opinion of course and based upon my expirience working with civil rights groups and encountering hate groups.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by Night Stalker: But it is one thing to tolerate intolerant ideas, and another to oppose intolerant actions that infringe upon the liberties of another. I can't speak for Chewie, but I think that is where he is going with his rant.

More or less. The 'spirit' behind rejecting intolerance in the name of tolerance differs greatly from the 'spirit' of intolerance. In my humble opinion of course and based upon my expirience working with civil rights groups and encountering hate groups. [/QUOTE]The "spirit" when you break it down objectively, instead of applying a morality to it, is still exactly the same as any other form of intolerance. It is refusing to accept that which you find morally offensive.

Whether you find Jews morally offensive, gays, nazis, racists, murder, cannibalism, vegetarianism, dogs, christians, hetrosexuals or potatoes, the action, result and intent is the same. Seeking to remove that which is morally offensive from your world.

All that changes is that which is not tolerated. The SUBJECT MATTER.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: Exactly where have I stated that my personal sense of morality is better or worst than anyone elses, even if it differs? How exactly am I unaware. Prove these assertions about me. Prove them or retract.

You have repeatedly spoken of a "higher morality", regarding human rights and equality.
[/QUOTE]So?

You have not proven the remarks made about me, only repeated them.

Chewbacca, they are no more or less subjective than any other morality. You personally regard them as causes that justify going against other parts of your moral code, like following laws prohibiting gay marriages for example. However, that's your personal subjective value system, not some universal truth.

So?

Why even comment like this Yorick? What does belittling my personal perspective of morality accomplish? Where have I stated that my value system is universal truth or even based upon it? Even if I think were, why is it any of your business to comment upon? Why are you continuing to discuss me like you have some secret valuable insight into my psyche? You DONT know me and quite frankly have no place in lecturing me in that "holier than thou" tone of yours. What is your point? Are you trying to bait me or something?

If you don't like my opinions and dont like that I disagree with you- fine I dont care. I myself enjoy disagreemnt and differing opinion. But, if you make it personal and belittle me rather than simply disagree my opinions then- bye bye. [/QUOTE]Because you engage in exactly the activity you deride. Only the object of your derision is what is different. Yet you refuse to see this, maintaining what appears to be a blind spot regarding a "holier than thou" element to your own arguments.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Night Stalker: Secularism in not the antithesis of religion. It is a non positional stance, neither advocating nor decrying.

But that's like saying apathy is not the opposite of care or hatred, because it is the absence of passion.
Secularism is by definition the antithesis of religion precisely because of it's substance.

Islam is a lot closer to Christianity than secularism.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by Night Stalker: But it is one thing to tolerate intolerant ideas, and another to oppose intolerant actions that infringe upon the liberties of another. I can't speak for Chewie, but I think that is where he is going with his rant.

More or less. The 'spirit' behind rejecting intolerance in the name of tolerance differs greatly from the 'spirit' of intolerance. In my humble opinion of course and based upon my expirience working with civil rights groups and encountering hate groups. [/QUOTE]The "spirit" when you break it down objectively, instead of applying a morality to it, is still exactly the same as any other form of intolerance. It is refusing to accept that which you find morally offensive.

Whether you find Jews morally offensive, gays, nazis, racists, murder, cannibalism, vegetarianism, dogs, christians, hetrosexuals or potatoes, the action, result and intent is the same. Seeking to remove that which is morally offensive from your world.

All that changes is that which is not tolerated. The SUBJECT MATTER. [/QUOTE]Nope. Incorrect analysis of my meaning and intent.

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by Chewbacca: Exactly where have I stated that my personal sense of morality is better or worst than anyone elses, even if it differs? How exactly am I unaware. Prove these assertions about me. Prove them or retract.

You have repeatedly spoken of a "higher morality", regarding human rights and equality.
[/QUOTE]So?

You have not proven the remarks made about me, only repeated them.

Chewbacca, they are no more or less subjective than any other morality. You personally regard them as causes that justify going against other parts of your moral code, like following laws prohibiting gay marriages for example. However, that's your personal subjective value system, not some universal truth.

So?

Why even comment like this Yorick? What does belittling my personal perspective of morality accomplish? Where have I stated that my value system is universal truth or even based upon it? Even if I think were, why is it any of your business to comment upon? Why are you continuing to discuss me like you have some secret valuable insight into my psyche? You DONT know me and quite frankly have no place in lecturing me in that "holier than thou" tone of yours. What is your point? Are you trying to bait me or something?

If you don't like my opinions and dont like that I disagree with you- fine I dont care. I myself enjoy disagreemnt and differing opinion. But, if you make it personal and belittle me rather than simply disagree my opinions then- bye bye. [/QUOTE]Because you engage in exactly the activity you deride. [/QUOTE]Nope. Incorrect analysis and certainly not justification for your behavior.

[Ronn_Bman]

Man, after all that... I need a cigarette!

[Night Stalker]

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I mean really, after that .... what else is there to say? [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

[Stratos]

I hope you're not in a public place right now.

[Stratos]

FINALLY free from Quintesson hell!