Sex Before Marriage - Page 8

Yorick · 02-04-2002, 06:54 PM

quote:
Originally posted by AzureWolf:

No offence Larry but I dont know ANYONE in r/l who has not had sex before marrige. If they want to its their choice.

Yeah but you're from New Zealand and country Australia.

Seriously, I know heaps who didn't have sex before marriage. It all depends on who you hang around.

Yorick · 02-04-2002, 06:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MagiK:
When the bible was written sex and procreation were one and the same, you couldnt seperate the two

Wrong.

Lots daughters for a start. No mention they were married to their father

Yorick · 02-04-2002, 07:04 PM

quote:
Originally posted by WOLFGIR:
Not even Jesus is without sin. There you have respect for other people guys!

Wolfgir, if you're talking about what the Bible says about Jesus, it says he was without sin. That's the whole point of his death, as Cerek so kindly pointed out.

The stoning scenario is a beautiful example of Gods grace and mercy. Without sin, he was the only one who could have thrown the first stone, yet chose not to.

The main message of that is not to be judgemental of others, nor raise sexual sin higher than any other sin.

Yorick · 02-04-2002, 07:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Tarox:
Wiccan? wtf is that and when did that get invented haha
(Kinda noticed anyone saying they are a Wicca or whatever you call it is a Yank too.......coincidence? [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

You said this in another thread and were proved wrong. What on earth is the point of making the exact same statement in a seperate thread, knowing that the same people are going to read this thread and give you the exact same answer?

How many threads are you going to make this statement in?

I will ask you kindly to give it a rest mate.

Yorick · 02-04-2002, 07:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Larry_OHF:

That book is more than words. Alot of people feel that those words written there were inspired by people who spoke with a higher being. If any mistakes are contained within, it is due to the retranslation from many languages and our own errors in writing.
Even the ones that do not beleive in Divinity admit that good things are taught therein. One of the things taught from taht book is that a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave unto his wife, that they may be one flesh. That one flesh part is to be united in marriage. Thus the way of speaking, Mr. and Mrs. Larry Woodruff is common to be heard.

Whether religious, not religious, or anti-religious...think about how special it would be to a woman to know that her husband had never been with another woman. She would then not have the question in her mind..."I wonder if his previous girlfriend was better in bed than I..., or other things. I am sure I got a chuckle out of you on that remark...but think on it. To know that my wife Karen has never had intimate relations with any other man makes me feel ...better when I am with her. If she had been with another before me...well, I could not love her the same way. I mean...to know that another had held her passionately before I did would feel kinda ...icky...or something. I cannot explain the feeling, but some of you will understand, and some of you will shake your head at reading this and say that I am wrong. Well fine. I am wrong, only in our opinion. to others, I have voiced their own fears. Some men and women out in the world would never marry a man that had not saved himself, and I would not knowingly marry a woman that had been touched before.
Yet, if you are not the marrying sort...meaning if you do not want to be with the same, wonderful woman for ever...then this post means little to nothing to you.
Now, are you doing wrong by running around, sampling the girls, but never committing to marriage?
Religious answer=Yes, because man and woman were meant to be together, unified as one family for God's plan. The law of the land believes this, as you have to get a blasted marriage liscense just to be legally bound to one another.
Un-religious, social answer:How many men go around screwing whatever girl, spreading disease and getting women pregnant so that they have to pay child support for the next 18 years? How many examples of this can you count? I can name 3 people close to me right now that are dealing with one or both of those afore mentioned troubles. I could name many more if given half a minute to think on it. I bet everyone in the U.S. right now reading this can name one man that you know of that has to pay child support.
Wouldn't our lives be better (just a little) without this, as well as everything else we deal with? Abortion clinics were fashined for idiots like this...that screwed before thinking.

Great post Larry. Have a read of mine. Though we took different paths, we agreed that the same path was the best. You are 100% correct in my book. Kudos to you bro.

Vaskez · 02-04-2002, 07:17 PM

Just to clear up a general point:

People love to go on about how the Bible contradicts itself all over the place and a favourite example is "eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek".
This is easily and simply explained. The old Testament is superceded by the New Testament and where they disagree, the New T. is valid...therefore in the above example, people who quote "eye for an eye" are quoting an effectively obsolete quote. There's no point arguing I'm just stating facts.

Yorick · 02-04-2002, 07:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Vaskez:
Just to clear up a general point:

People love to go on about how the Bible contradicts itself all over the place and a favourite example is "eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek".
This is easily and simply explained. The old Testament is superceded by the New Testament and where they disagree, the New T. is valid...therefore in the above example, people who quote "eye for an eye" are quoting an effectively obsolete quote. There's no point arguing I'm just stating facts.

I agree.

"An eye for an eye" is talking to a nation about administering criminal justice, and "turn the other cheek" is talking to individuals about breaking the cycle of hate, war and enimnity.

"An Eye for an Eye" is Old Testament Law
"Turn the other cheek" is New Testament Grace.

It can seem that grace contradicts law at times. But Jesus said he came not to break the law, but to fulfil it. That is, the Law still exists, but Christians are removed from it's effects through Christ's Grace.

Cerek the Barbaric · 02-04-2002, 09:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by WOLFGIR:

Oki, well in your view (not a degrading thing, this is from pure interest, does the event spoke of when Jesus tells the people that he who is without sin should cast the first stone?

In my view as only "reading" the bible, I felt like Jesus either showed alot of mercy or that he to had done some sins, but that as long as you did the right thing and forgave people and asked for forgiveness to both god and the one you had commited the sin against their was a solution..

And no Cerek, it is not an important part of my view, but since you posted about it I became interested in learning more from your point of view and I hope (paranoia posting) that I haven´t been offending or anything, I question because I am curious, and I have always found your posts very accurate and also with good information. So if you would like to tell me more, please do, either here or by mail!

Cheers!

No offense taken whatsoever, Wolfgir. As I said, I had the same misconception myself for several years (although it was over a different event - more on that later)

It's always a pleasure to discuss Christianity with someone who is interested or just curious.

Yorick gave a good explanation of the event you described, but you had already figured out one of the most important points on your own - Jesus did indeed "show a lot of mercy". That's the physical embodiement of God's love for us, even when we sin against Him.

Before I go any further, I think we should move this discussion to the "Religion II" thread, since it no longer pertains to Lavindathars' original question...and he DID request us to stay on topic. So, I will move your remarks and my Reply and continue our discussion there.

[ 02-04-2002: Message edited by: Cerek the Barbaric ]

*\Conan/* · 02-04-2002, 10:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Lavindathar:
Ok, but could someone who knows the text give me their best statement that they can?

Soz for being a nag, but I don't want to go into this religious stuff myself. Just an answer!!

If you read the Bible go to Hebrews (13;4)....New testament. You will find your answer there... [img]smile.gif[/img]

WOLFGIR · 02-05-2002, 03:26 AM

Cerek, Yorrick. Thanks.

This is just something I have well been thinking on lately, but I move my butt over to the religion II thread! Cheers!

02-04-2002, 06:54 PM	#71
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by AzureWolf: No offence Larry but I dont know ANYONE in r/l who has not had sex before marrige. If they want to its their choice. Yeah but you're from New Zealand and country Australia. Seriously, I know heaps who didn't have sex before marriage. It all depends on who you hang around. __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

02-04-2002, 06:55 PM	#72
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by MagiK: When the bible was written sex and procreation were one and the same, you couldnt seperate the two Wrong. Lots daughters for a start. No mention they were married to their father __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

02-04-2002, 07:04 PM	#73
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by WOLFGIR: Not even Jesus is without sin. There you have respect for other people guys! Wolfgir, if you're talking about what the Bible says about Jesus, it says he was without sin. That's the whole point of his death, as Cerek so kindly pointed out. The stoning scenario is a beautiful example of Gods grace and mercy. Without sin, he was the only one who could have thrown the first stone, yet chose not to. The main message of that is not to be judgemental of others, nor raise sexual sin higher than any other sin. __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

02-04-2002, 07:10 PM	#74
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by Tarox: Wiccan? wtf is that and when did that get invented haha (Kinda noticed anyone saying they are a Wicca or whatever you call it is a Yank too.......coincidence? [img]tongue.gif[/img] ) You said this in another thread and were proved wrong. What on earth is the point of making the exact same statement in a seperate thread, knowing that the same people are going to read this thread and give you the exact same answer? How many threads are you going to make this statement in? I will ask you kindly to give it a rest mate. __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

02-04-2002, 07:14 PM	#75
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by Larry_OHF: That book is more than words. Alot of people feel that those words written there were inspired by people who spoke with a higher being. If any mistakes are contained within, it is due to the retranslation from many languages and our own errors in writing. Even the ones that do not beleive in Divinity admit that good things are taught therein. One of the things taught from taht book is that a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave unto his wife, that they may be one flesh. That one flesh part is to be united in marriage. Thus the way of speaking, Mr. and Mrs. Larry Woodruff is common to be heard. Whether religious, not religious, or anti-religious...think about how special it would be to a woman to know that her husband had never been with another woman. She would then not have the question in her mind..."I wonder if his previous girlfriend was better in bed than I..., or other things. I am sure I got a chuckle out of you on that remark...but think on it. To know that my wife Karen has never had intimate relations with any other man makes me feel ...better when I am with her. If she had been with another before me...well, I could not love her the same way. I mean...to know that another had held her passionately before I did would feel kinda ...icky...or something. I cannot explain the feeling, but some of you will understand, and some of you will shake your head at reading this and say that I am wrong. Well fine. I am wrong, only in our opinion. to others, I have voiced their own fears. Some men and women out in the world would never marry a man that had not saved himself, and I would not knowingly marry a woman that had been touched before. Yet, if you are not the marrying sort...meaning if you do not want to be with the same, wonderful woman for ever...then this post means little to nothing to you. Now, are you doing wrong by running around, sampling the girls, but never committing to marriage? Religious answer=Yes, because man and woman were meant to be together, unified as one family for God's plan. The law of the land believes this, as you have to get a blasted marriage liscense just to be legally bound to one another. Un-religious, social answer:How many men go around screwing whatever girl, spreading disease and getting women pregnant so that they have to pay child support for the next 18 years? How many examples of this can you count? I can name 3 people close to me right now that are dealing with one or both of those afore mentioned troubles. I could name many more if given half a minute to think on it. I bet everyone in the U.S. right now reading this can name one man that you know of that has to pay child support. Wouldn't our lives be better (just a little) without this, as well as everything else we deal with? Abortion clinics were fashined for idiots like this...that screwed before thinking. Great post Larry. Have a read of mine. Though we took different paths, we agreed that the same path was the best. You are 100% correct in my book. Kudos to you bro. __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

02-04-2002, 07:17 PM	#76
Vaskez Takhisis Follower Join Date: April 30, 2001 Location: szép Magyarország (well not right now) Posts: 5,089	Just to clear up a general point: People love to go on about how the Bible contradicts itself all over the place and a favourite example is "eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek". This is easily and simply explained. The old Testament is superceded by the New Testament and where they disagree, the New T. is valid...therefore in the above example, people who quote "eye for an eye" are quoting an effectively obsolete quote. There's no point arguing I'm just stating facts. __________________ Too set in his ways to ever relate If he could set that aside, there'd be heaven to pay But weathered and aged, time swept him to grave Love conquers all? Damn, I'd say that area's gray

02-04-2002, 07:28 PM	#77
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by Vaskez: Just to clear up a general point: People love to go on about how the Bible contradicts itself all over the place and a favourite example is "eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek". This is easily and simply explained. The old Testament is superceded by the New Testament and where they disagree, the New T. is valid...therefore in the above example, people who quote "eye for an eye" are quoting an effectively obsolete quote. There's no point arguing I'm just stating facts. I agree. "An eye for an eye" is talking to a nation about administering criminal justice, and "turn the other cheek" is talking to individuals about breaking the cycle of hate, war and enimnity. "An Eye for an Eye" is Old Testament Law "Turn the other cheek" is New Testament Grace. It can seem that grace contradicts law at times. But Jesus said he came not to break the law, but to fulfil it. That is, the Law still exists, but Christians are removed from it's effects through Christ's Grace. __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

02-04-2002, 09:56 PM	#78
Cerek the Barbaric Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: October 29, 2001 Location: North Carolina Age: 62 Posts: 3,257	quote: Originally posted by WOLFGIR: Oki, well in your view (not a degrading thing, this is from pure interest, does the event spoke of when Jesus tells the people that he who is without sin should cast the first stone? In my view as only "reading" the bible, I felt like Jesus either showed alot of mercy or that he to had done some sins, but that as long as you did the right thing and forgave people and asked for forgiveness to both god and the one you had commited the sin against their was a solution.. And no Cerek, it is not an important part of my view, but since you posted about it I became interested in learning more from your point of view and I hope (paranoia posting) that I haven´t been offending or anything, I question because I am curious, and I have always found your posts very accurate and also with good information. So if you would like to tell me more, please do, either here or by mail! Cheers! No offense taken whatsoever, Wolfgir. As I said, I had the same misconception myself for several years (although it was over a different event - more on that later) It's always a pleasure to discuss Christianity with someone who is interested or just curious. Yorick gave a good explanation of the event you described, but you had already figured out one of the most important points on your own - Jesus did indeed "show a lot of mercy". That's the physical embodiement of God's love for us, even when we sin against Him. Before I go any further, I think we should move this discussion to the "Religion II" thread, since it no longer pertains to Lavindathars' original question...and he DID request us to stay on topic. So, I will move your remarks and my Reply and continue our discussion there. [ 02-04-2002: Message edited by: Cerek the Barbaric ] __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/cerek/cerektsrsig.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Cerek the Calmth

02-04-2002, 10:11 PM	#79
\Conan/ Red Dragon Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 63 Posts: 1,512	quote: Originally posted by Lavindathar: Ok, but could someone who knows the text give me their best statement that they can? Soz for being a nag, but I don't want to go into this religious stuff myself. Just an answer!! If you read the Bible go to Hebrews (13;4)....New testament. You will find your answer there... [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ \\Conan/
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02-05-2002, 03:26 AM	#80
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 51 Posts: 3,450	Cerek, Yorrick. Thanks. This is just something I have well been thinking on lately, but I move my butt over to the religion II thread! Cheers! __________________ Don´t eat the yellow snow

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