Non-native English speakers?!?

[WOLFGIR]

Habba habba!

Thanks Melusine!
That cleared out a whole lot of glitches I had in my head. Been some years ago I studied this, and I did study it in swedish. Some words do differ alot =)




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[Melusine]

Still, what happened to the Geats???
I think there were four Danish tribes; Angles, Saxons, Geats and Frisians who went on a little trip across what is now Holland and Great Britain. We all know were the Saxons and Angles turned up, the Frisians give no problems either, but the Geats? I think they didn't get quite as far, I think I remember from Beowulf that they remained where they were (in what is now called Denmark).

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Your voice is ambrosia

[Melusine]

Did a bit of research... it's about what I expected...

The Geats were a small race of people that lived in the area around Denmark about 1500 years ago. A samll race of people, they were often attacked by larger more powerful countries like France. After years of losing battles, the race bordered extinction. Then, a hero named Herothgar rose up and smote the Frankish hordes. The Geats were done losing battles now, the time had come for revenge! More heros came, and the Geats went on a full fleged offensive led by their great hero Beowulf, who tore the Frankish Champion in half. (Note from Mel: since we know that when Beowulf died he left a ruined kingdom, I suppose that explains the Geats's extinction - though we don't even know whether B. existed )

Brosings: Known in legend as owners of a magic necklace which Wealhtheow gives to Beowulf.

Danes: Ruled by Hnaef; later, led by Hengest.

Franks: A western Germanic people who lived in what is now France, they join the Frisians to defeat Hygelac.

Frisians: A western Germanic people living in what is now northwestern Holland.

Geats: Lived in southern Sweden; Beowulf belongs to this tribe.

Heathobards: Germanic tribe ruled by King Froda and his son Ingeld.

Waegmundings: Family related by marriage to the Geats' royal lineage; family of Wiglaf, Weohstan, and Beowulf.

Hope this helps


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Your voice is ambrosia

[WOLFGIR]

I believe that some of the Geats if it is what I believe they are, we have different name for em here. They fled after their final defeat to a remote part of an island here in Sweden and some where still left in Denmark and some were more or less integrated into the germanic tribes..

This is however just speculations.

Just recently we have found alot of new interesting historuc villages and archelogical proof to that the people before the vikings that lived here (the same but got that name much later) had been a part of the war against the romans in Germanic countries and that we used to both trade alot and that we had alot of mercanaries that joined i the wars around europe thoose days. We didnt have any larger cities but were a people of farmers and traders that lived in small villages. They have found a village in the middle northern part of Sweden which is thought mainly to be just wild country since most archelogical founds have been in Stockholm, Västergötlnad and in southern Sweden. This points to something new.

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[Cloudbringer]

Originally posted by Moridin: I am having a problem! In the English language we have 'human being', 'man', and 'woman'. Throughout most of its history we have used the word 'man' to mean both 'human being' and 'adult male', but times are changing and we are starting to become more politically correct in our distinction (i.e. chairman to chairperson, postman to mail carrier). I am curious of two things 1) What are the words for 'human being', 'male or man', and 'female or woman' in your language (or for people like Cloudy who speak a second language what is it in the second or third language you speak)? 2) Do you use the masculine (i.e. man) as we do. Both as a gender neutral term and for only men? If you do, is it becoming a topic of debate and change in your country/language? Thank you for your help!

Moridin,

Interesting thread!

In Russian the nouns all have a grammatical gender which is separate, for the most part, from a being's actual gender and of course inanimate objects don't have any BUT grammatical gender.

But as for use of 'human being/person' versus 'man', 'woman'...hmmmmm

human being/person, would most often be 'chelovek' which refers to either gender. Hmmm.. this is most interesting...I hadn't thought much on it..but when one says 'young man' in Russian one uses "molodoi chelovek" but for a young lady, the word 'chelovek' isn't used! It becomes "molodaia dyevushka". "Dyevuskha", being the word for girl. And from other things, I guess I'd have to say that Russian tends to be closer in use for the terms you mentioned, to the American way of doing it. (the traditional one)


Amber


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Heart Mind Soul Forever

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[Cloudbringer]

Originally posted by Moiraine: So basically you are saying that we girlies actually are men with a little something more ! Damn this Freud man trying to have us thinking the opposite ... I am both a man and a woman - can you say such ? I am a WOW!-man !!!

HAHAHAHAHA! Oh Moiraine, YOU GO, GIRL! ROTFL!!!!!! I was thinking almost the same thing...but you got there ahead of me! HOHOHO HEEHEEHEE!
Must be the addition of all that feminine mystique, no? *giggle*

I am WOWman, here me ROAR! HEHEHE....

CloudLionESS


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StormCloud of the Black Knight
Heart Mind Soul Forever

[onthepequod]

Kittens roar?

[Cloudbringer]

For Rikdard(a) (teehee):

Russian-

1. odin
2. dva
3. tri
4. chetiri
5. pyat'
6. shest'
7. syem'
8. vosem'
9. dyevyat'
10. dyesyat'


RusskoyeOblachko (RussianCloud)

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Storm-Queen
StormCloud of the Black Knight
Heart Mind Soul Forever

[Cloudbringer]

Originally posted by onthepequod: Kittens roar?

Purrpurr mew mew ROAR!


CloudKitten

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[Vaskez]

Originally posted by Yorick: Vaskez, where are you posting from? Budapest? I have been to Budapest (long time ago) very nice city. The Magyars and Finns are supposed to be of the same race, but centuries of Swedish rule on the Finnish side, and the Magyars being either surrounded or governed by Österreich, the Ottomans, Slavs etc has I guess, changed the languages somewhat.

No, I was born in Budapest, but now live in England. I don't think I could speak or write english this well if I still lived in Hungary, hehe
Hmm, the Magyars and the Finss do not come from the same race as far as I know. The 2 languages are very very different even though they are from the same language group. They are nowhere near as similar as say english and german. AFAIK there are no words that even sound the same like green and grun (with the umlaut!) in english and german. The race that IS related to Magyars is the Huns. There is a legend which says that the nations originated from 2 brothers, Hunor and Magyar. Although this is just a story there is some truth in that they are related. The Huns eventually left Asia about 500 years b4 the Magyars, destroying much of the western roman empire as u know and then somehow disappearing, merging with existing nations etc. Luckily the Magyars managed to survive .

Someone above stated that all European languages stem from Indo-European, IIRC HUngarin and Finnish do not. I know Hungarian(Magyar) originated from somewhere in Asia which is where the Magyars came from.

A little note, although the Ottomans (damn turks!!!! ) and the Austrians did rule Hungary at some stage, slavs never did. Rather Magyars ruled all of Yugoslavia and some stage. The other damn nation that dared to attack Hungary is the Mongols which was even b4 the Ottomans.

I think you'll all have had enough of me by the end of this thread!