02-26-2003, 08:43 PM | #71 | |
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I beleive that a hierarchy between humans, is not the same as the worth of a human. Is there a hierarchy between humans? You bet, "Let me count the ways" (to steal a phrase) 1)phsyical height 2)phsyical wieght 3)Strength 4)spelling ability 5)eye sight 6)hearing 7)eye-hand coordination 8)feet size 9)Bra cup size 10)intelligence 11)wisdom 12)brain chemistry 13)hormone levels Etc. I could go on but I think you get the point. Everybody has a hierarchy! (friends, aquaintances, can't stand, and for us southerners people we wouldn't piss on if they were on fire). Is the life of one human being worth more then the life of another? Depending on the circumstances, YES, one human's life can be of more value then another human's life. What is being confused in this discussion is the worth of a human which is their soul, in the case of a human worth ALL are equal. The soul endures forever. A human's life is but here for a fleeting instance, no more than the morning dew, here one moment then it's gone. And the lifes of ALL other humans continues on until they die.
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02-26-2003, 08:47 PM | #72 | |
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02-26-2003, 11:29 PM | #73 | |
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02-27-2003, 03:43 AM | #74 | |
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I beleive that a hierarchy between humans, is not the same as the worth of a human. Is there a hierarchy between humans? You bet, "Let me count the ways" (to steal a phrase) 1)phsyical height 2)phsyical wieght 3)Strength 4)spelling ability 5)eye sight 6)hearing 7)eye-hand coordination 8)feet size 9)Bra cup size 10)intelligence 11)wisdom 12)brain chemistry 13)hormone levels Etc. I could go on but I think you get the point. Everybody has a hierarchy! (friends, aquaintances, can't stand, and for us southerners people we wouldn't piss on if they were on fire). Is the life of one human being worth more then the life of another? Depending on the circumstances, YES, one human's life can be of more value then another human's life. What is being confused in this discussion is the worth of a human which is their soul, in the case of a human worth ALL are equal. The soul endures forever. A human's life is but here for a fleeting instance, no more than the morning dew, here one moment then it's gone. And the lifes of ALL other humans continues on until they die.[/QUOTE]But, Johnny John, of course humans are all different, and have different characteristics and skills ! However, there is a HUGE leap between stating, and measuring in some cases (how do you measure wisdom ? ) those differences and deducing a global human being's worth out of them ... Last group of people who made that leap were the Nazis ...
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02-27-2003, 10:10 AM | #75 | |
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Agreed it is foolish to use the characteristics, skills and abilities as the measure of a human's worth. But it is equally foolish to use the characteristics, skills and abilities to try and state we are all equal because we have in some measure the Char., skill, or ability as another. ie: we can all sing or learn to sing (play piano, whatever), Therefor we are all equal. Our worth is more then our abilities. Which is exactly what I believe you and Yorick where trying to say, only problem, by argueing abilities (everybody can sing, play piano,etc.) you in fact end up giving credence to the abilitites is worth arguement. [ 02-27-2003, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]
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02-27-2003, 01:00 PM | #76 | |
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02-27-2003, 01:42 PM | #79 | |
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It has to do with the fact that shyht happens out of our control. Gates happened to be fortunate. He was in the right place at the right time. Certainly he doesn't deserve his position any more than the vendor in India working 20 hours a day seven days a week, earning almost nothing, but supporting 13 kids, (three with TB) doesn't deserve his. |
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02-27-2003, 03:02 PM | #80 | |
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- A death case is worth a base $1 mil. when figuring on settlement. - Excessive pain and suffering can raise this substantially. - A mutilation case can be worth more. Permanent brain damage and handicap will top the death value and be worth at least $ 5 mil. - This is all modified by "earning potential" over the lifetime. Yes, a doctor's wife gets more money from a death case than a laborer's wife, all other things taken equally. Assignment to the value of life is in the legal system every day. Not countering any points with this, just an FYI. |
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