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well, chewbacca, now you've entered into the realm of INTENT. a realm which is IRRELEVENT in the courtroom. in fact, its very similar to the supreme court case RE burning flags in protest. they ruled that intent was irrelevant and that legality lay in the action, thus one action in one intent could not be illegal simply because the intent was changed. namely, because they love each other has no regard to the equality of the action whatsoever. its what you call... poppycock.
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Additionally, I think the law as first proposed by Mass works best -- call it a "civil union" and pass a law stating that all mentioning of "marriage" in the law must also apply to "civil unions" -- making them substantively equal, while preserving the nomenclature difference. Quote:
As for the states refusing to recognize the marriages/unions, that is still an issue. However, that too is changing -- NY will recognize the MA marriages for instance. Quote:
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Just some thoughts and clarifications. Not meaning to slam you about, Cerek. I think you listened to the concerns rather thoughtfully, I just think you misunderstand and misunderestimate (to use a Bushism) the ability of the law to change things. |
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A gay man can't marry the person they love and want to commit to for the rest of their life in a married sort of way.... ie. -another man. A hetrosexual man can marry the person they love and want to commit to for the rest of their life in a married sort of way- ie. a woman. So it is unfair and it is unequal..and it certainly floats. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]I generally agree with Whatawookie, so long as I restate the caveat that the substantive rights are important, not the nomenclature, so a "civil union" works as well as a "marriage." Here, Promethius, let me put your argument to its logical conclusions: "If a gay man wants to have sex with a woman, he can. But, gay men cannot have sex with each other." That is your premise stated with "sex" instead of "marriage" -- and the Supreme Court has expressly denied that and upheld the right to gay sex, based on the Right of Privacy. Your argument is simply logically flawed as to what the law can do. Here's another parallel: "If a white man who likes black women wants to marry a white woman, he can. But white men cannot marry black women." Do you see the flaw in your logic yet? |
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I *think* we are a long ways off from this at a federal level unless a potential future court ruling finds the DOMA unconstitutional. Right? I just got married a month ago and I am still learning all the new stuff involved legally. Like I was able to give my wife a car when hers went kaput, and she paid no taxes on it. As merely my longtime live-together girlfriend she would have shelled out around $500 (that's why they call it Taxxachusetts!) A real set of lessons will come, I think, next year at tax time.
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TL, your arguement is flawed:
Here's another parallel: "If a white man who likes black women wants to marry a white woman, he can. But white men cannot marry black women." Do you see the flaw in your logic yet? first, black women and white women are both homosapian FEMALES. they are the same. there is no proof that homosexuality is genetic so the whole race card doesnt even come into play. second, and i think we can both agree, to marry a man is an entirely seperate act from marrying a woman. and yes, it is legal to distinguish between men and women when declaring an act legal or not. thus a man cannot walk into a lady's lockeroom shower without getting arrested for sexual misconduct. in the same way we can legally distinguish between a womans right to marry a man and a mans right to marry another man. like i said, there is no legal inequality right now. if this were an arguement to expand rights then i would be more comfortable on it, but i will always be sketchy of a movement that skews the numbers and bases arguements on faulty premises.
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Actually, there's plenty of research posted online that shows that Homosexuality most likely does have a genetic disposition. Just Google it.
TL, I Agree with a lot you've stated so far. Especially with the nurse example. Because if a nurse were racist, and wouldn't let a black person see their white lover in the hospital, wouldn't he or she be disciplined? I also have to agree it's unfair to thrust $20,000 dollars worth of processes on people. Hell, I couldn't even afford that myself! All I get is SSI. [ 05-30-2004, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: Jerr Conner ]
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okay, jerr, we have a trend here... why don't you cite ONE study which conclusively proves that homosexuality IS genetic? be forewarned, there are studies which DECLARED that it was, but were later refuted or were flawed in some way which, when corrected, made the expirement irreplicable. please, by all means, cite one which is conclusive proof, since, as you say "there's plenty of research posted online that shows that Homosexuality most likely does have a genetic disposition"
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To my information, no such study exists... But even less sources agree that it's a choice made. Therefore, discriminating against sexual preference is on par with discriminating on race.
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