Religion II - Page 7

Yorick · 02-07-2002, 12:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by fable:

But the content of your message wasn't dogmatic, in the literal or figurative sense:

Go on a search. Or don't. What you do is your own business and you shouldn't need to feel ashamed no matter what path you take.

There are many deceased Tao masters who are now looking at you and smiling.

Well sure, but does a Christian have to be dogmatic about everything? Do only Tao masters have a mortgage on free thinking? There's a strong Biblical argument for the idea that Christs grace works for people even if they don't know Christ. Meaning that Christ judges the heart, not actions, and that choosing to accept or reject a message from a flawed message deliverer is an action.

If someone IS going to believe, it's important that the decision is an independent, genuine conclusion, not a force fed, inherited ideology without conviction. Better to be hot or cold than lukewarm.

I also care about an individuals feelings. Care brought about from having Christ love me.

But I take your point. It's not the first time the word 'Zen' has been comparitively used when I've spoken - even in a Church. It's just I find that rather ironic that's all.

[img]smile.gif[/img]

02-07-2002, 12:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by fable:

What you do is your own business and you shouldn't need to feel ashamed no matter what path you take.

Unless your actions be shameful.

Intent is not the only measure of rightiousness, the road to hell, after all is paved with good intentions. [img]smile.gif[/img] I for one believe there are black and white lines between good and evil, decent and shameful.

Edit was for punctuation

[ 02-07-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

*\Conan/* · 02-07-2002, 12:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick:

Do only Tao masters have a mortgage on free thinking?

3 words...The Jesus Sutras [img]smile.gif[/img]
-more on this later-

[ 02-07-2002: Message edited by: *\Conan/* ]

fable · 02-07-2002, 02:10 PM

Magik, just a small point of correction. When you quote me as writing:

What you do is your own business and you shouldn't need to feel ashamed no matter what path you take.

...In fact, I was quoting Yorick. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yorick · 02-07-2002, 02:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MagiK:

Unless your actions be shameful.

Intent is not the only measure of rightiousness, the road to hell, after all is paved with good intentions. [img]smile.gif[/img] I for one believe there are black and white lines between good and evil, decent and shameful.

Edit was for punctuation

[ 02-07-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

I talking within the specific context of finding or rejecing faith or spirituality, not enshrining a global, grand unified mantra.

[ 02-07-2002: Message edited by: Yorick ]

K T Ong · 02-07-2002, 08:00 PM

quote:
The "norseman" I presume you mean a viking had no horn in their helmets, and also they used wood or hide for their shields which were usually alot bigger.

From what I read, the Vikings did wear horned helmets, though only on ceremonial occasions.

Hmmm, a Viking doing Tai Chi -- fancy that!

quote:
Unfortunately my worldview is the exact opposite of Buddhas.

Yorick, which aspects of Buddhism do you disagree with? I'm just curious to know.

I've actually composed a fantasy not-so-short story exploring religious and philosophical issues. Mostly talking, but some special effects too. Took more than 2 years to write. Not yet finished, but very close. Microsoft Word file. Runs to about 50 pages. Anyone interested?

(I can send it to you via email.)

John D Harris · 02-08-2002, 12:32 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Scholarcs:
About Christianity, what denomination of Christain are you? A few months ago, I left the mainstream Presbyterian Church. I left because the Church was trying to attract more people by appearing unchurchlike. But they went to far, and it ended up being too unchurchlike. Also, I knew many people who called themselves Christains and went to church, but didnt do Christain things, or act like a Christain, outside of church. Par contre, I know many people who when questioned about religion, call themselves athiests, yet they are good, honest people, never afraid to give support, help people up etc. Basically, I know athiests who act like Christains should, and Christains who act like athiests. This sort of destroyed the illusion of the church for me.

So now I am looking for a new denomination.

Many thanks for any comment you are to give...

- a lost christain

Scholarcs,
The name on the building that I choose to worship with fellow christains is the "church of Christ". I've met and worshiped with christains from many differant denominations. Through the years I have found both the sencere (sp?) and insencere populate the pews. Personally I leave the sifting of the wheat from the chaff to God.

WOLFGIR · 02-08-2002, 03:27 AM

"From what I read, the Vikings did wear horned helmets, though only on ceremonial occasions.

Hmmm, a Viking doing Tai Chi -- fancy that! "

Well thoose that wore horns in their helmets didn´t go out fighting. To have horns in your helmets mean that you have a bigger target that could help snap your neck or tangle in the sails and such. Vikings were both good sailors and fighters. Plus, a horned helmet is harder to make than one without too. The ceremonial helms you mentioned were considered "hats". But they were also not that customary. Some findings of the danish vikings have shown that horns have been fastened to helms. Could be the closeness to to the germanic tribes here..

Well I will not continue this off topic here hehe!

----------------------------------------------------------
I have one question to you guys though..

I have seen some examples about religion clashing with politics here, or at least an unsteady ground. Is their sort of a religion in the church and one religion in the street so to say??

And what are you views upon this? Should religion and politics be two seperated things, and how does that in the case of a yes concern a person that divide his life in two, one political say career and on religious..?

And I have to agree with Cerek! This is truelly a cool thread!

Thank you guys! You have made booring coffee pauses more interesting!

Scholarcs · 02-08-2002, 04:21 AM

I believe that there has to be only one kind of religion, one which governs ALL your life, not just the life you have in church.

John D Harris · 02-08-2002, 04:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Scholarcs:
I believe that there has to be only one kind of religion, one which governs ALL your life, not just the life you have in church.

I couldn't agree more. What did Jesus say Love the Lord your God with all your Heart, Mind and Soul. (parphasied by me)

02-07-2002, 12:17 PM	#61
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by fable: But the content of your message wasn't dogmatic, in the literal or figurative sense: Go on a search. Or don't. What you do is your own business and you shouldn't need to feel ashamed no matter what path you take. There are many deceased Tao masters who are now looking at you and smiling. Well sure, but does a Christian have to be dogmatic about everything? Do only Tao masters have a mortgage on free thinking? There's a strong Biblical argument for the idea that Christs grace works for people even if they don't know Christ. Meaning that Christ judges the heart, not actions, and that choosing to accept or reject a message from a flawed message deliverer is an action. If someone IS going to believe, it's important that the decision is an independent, genuine conclusion, not a force fed, inherited ideology without conviction. Better to be hot or cold than lukewarm. I also care about an individuals feelings. Care brought about from having Christ love me. But I take your point. It's not the first time the word 'Zen' has been comparitively used when I've spoken - even in a Church. It's just I find that rather ironic that's all. [img]smile.gif[/img]

02-07-2002, 12:34 PM	#62
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by fable: What you do is your own business and you shouldn't need to feel ashamed no matter what path you take. Unless your actions be shameful. Intent is not the only measure of rightiousness, the road to hell, after all is paved with good intentions. [img]smile.gif[/img] I for one believe there are black and white lines between good and evil, decent and shameful. Edit was for punctuation [ 02-07-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ]

02-07-2002, 12:50 PM	#63
\Conan/ Red Dragon Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 63 Posts: 1,512	quote: Originally posted by Yorick: Do only Tao masters have a mortgage on free thinking? 3 words...The Jesus Sutras [img]smile.gif[/img] -more on this later- [ 02-07-2002: Message edited by: \Conan/ ] __________________ \\Conan/
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02-07-2002, 02:49 PM	#65
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by MagiK: Unless your actions be shameful. Intent is not the only measure of rightiousness, the road to hell, after all is paved with good intentions. [img]smile.gif[/img] I for one believe there are black and white lines between good and evil, decent and shameful. Edit was for punctuation [ 02-07-2002: Message edited by: MagiK ] I talking within the specific context of finding or rejecing faith or spirituality, not enshrining a global, grand unified mantra. [ 02-07-2002: Message edited by: Yorick ]

02-07-2002, 08:00 PM	#66
K T Ong Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 27, 2002 Location: Plateau of Singapore Age: 62 Posts: 1,230	quote: The "norseman" I presume you mean a viking had no horn in their helmets, and also they used wood or hide for their shields which were usually alot bigger. From what I read, the Vikings did wear horned helmets, though only on ceremonial occasions. Hmmm, a Viking doing Tai Chi -- fancy that! quote: Unfortunately my worldview is the exact opposite of Buddhas. Yorick, which aspects of Buddhism do you disagree with? I'm just curious to know. I've actually composed a fantasy not-so-short story exploring religious and philosophical issues. Mostly talking, but some special effects too. Took more than 2 years to write. Not yet finished, but very close. Microsoft Word file. Runs to about 50 pages. Anyone interested? (I can send it to you via email.) __________________ <br />Look! Everyone\'s admiring me! <img border=\"0\" title=\"\" alt=\"[Big Grin]\" src=\"biggrin.gif\" />

02-07-2002, 02:10 PM	#64
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	Magik, just a small point of correction. When you quote me as writing: What you do is your own business and you shouldn't need to feel ashamed no matter what path you take. ...In fact, I was quoting Yorick. [img]smile.gif[/img]

02-08-2002, 12:32 AM	#67
John D Harris Ninja Storm Shadow Join Date: March 27, 2001 Location: Northport,Alabama, USA Age: 63 Posts: 3,577	quote: Originally posted by Scholarcs: About Christianity, what denomination of Christain are you? A few months ago, I left the mainstream Presbyterian Church. I left because the Church was trying to attract more people by appearing unchurchlike. But they went to far, and it ended up being too unchurchlike. Also, I knew many people who called themselves Christains and went to church, but didnt do Christain things, or act like a Christain, outside of church. Par contre, I know many people who when questioned about religion, call themselves athiests, yet they are good, honest people, never afraid to give support, help people up etc. Basically, I know athiests who act like Christains should, and Christains who act like athiests. This sort of destroyed the illusion of the church for me. So now I am looking for a new denomination. Many thanks for any comment you are to give... - a lost christain Scholarcs, The name on the building that I choose to worship with fellow christains is the "church of Christ". I've met and worshiped with christains from many differant denominations. Through the years I have found both the sencere (sp?) and insencere populate the pews. Personally I leave the sifting of the wheat from the chaff to God. __________________ Crustiest of the OLD COOTS "Donating mirrors for years to help the Liberal/Socialist find their collective rear-ends, because both hands doesn't seem to be working. Veitnam 61-65:KIA 1864 66:KIA 5008 67:KIA 9378 68:KIA 14594 69:KIA 9414 70:KIA 4221 71:KIA 1380 72:KIA 300 Afghanistan2001-2008 KIA 585 2009-2012 KIA 1465 and counting Davros 1 Much abliged Massachusetts

02-08-2002, 03:27 AM	#68
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 51 Posts: 3,450	"From what I read, the Vikings did wear horned helmets, though only on ceremonial occasions. Hmmm, a Viking doing Tai Chi -- fancy that! " Well thoose that wore horns in their helmets didn´t go out fighting. To have horns in your helmets mean that you have a bigger target that could help snap your neck or tangle in the sails and such. Vikings were both good sailors and fighters. Plus, a horned helmet is harder to make than one without too. The ceremonial helms you mentioned were considered "hats". But they were also not that customary. Some findings of the danish vikings have shown that horns have been fastened to helms. Could be the closeness to to the germanic tribes here.. Well I will not continue this off topic here hehe! ---------------------------------------------------------- I have one question to you guys though.. I have seen some examples about religion clashing with politics here, or at least an unsteady ground. Is their sort of a religion in the church and one religion in the street so to say?? And what are you views upon this? Should religion and politics be two seperated things, and how does that in the case of a yes concern a person that divide his life in two, one political say career and on religious..? And I have to agree with Cerek! This is truelly a cool thread! Thank you guys! You have made booring coffee pauses more interesting! __________________ Don´t eat the yellow snow

02-08-2002, 04:21 AM	#69
Scholarcs Red Dragon Join Date: December 5, 2001 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 39 Posts: 1,557	I believe that there has to be only one kind of religion, one which governs ALL your life, not just the life you have in church. __________________ <br />\"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five\" - Groucho Marx<br />Member of the ORT Clan. <br />\"Some birds are not meant to be caged because their feathers are too bright\"<br />Ma bouche sera la bouche des malheurs qui n\'ont point de bouche, ma voix, la liberté de celles qui s\'affaissent au cachot du désespoir. - Aimé Césaire<br />La plus perdue de toutes les journées est celle où l\'on n\'a pas ri. - Sébastien Roch Nicolas

02-08-2002, 04:42 AM	#70
John D Harris Ninja Storm Shadow Join Date: March 27, 2001 Location: Northport,Alabama, USA Age: 63 Posts: 3,577	quote: Originally posted by Scholarcs: I believe that there has to be only one kind of religion, one which governs ALL your life, not just the life you have in church. I couldn't agree more. What did Jesus say Love the Lord your God with all your Heart, Mind and Soul. (parphasied by me) __________________ Crustiest of the OLD COOTS "Donating mirrors for years to help the Liberal/Socialist find their collective rear-ends, because both hands doesn't seem to be working. Veitnam 61-65:KIA 1864 66:KIA 5008 67:KIA 9378 68:KIA 14594 69:KIA 9414 70:KIA 4221 71:KIA 1380 72:KIA 300 Afghanistan2001-2008 KIA 585 2009-2012 KIA 1465 and counting Davros 1 Much abliged Massachusetts

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