NHL Playoffs

[Bahamut]

well, ray bourque is already a future hall of famer, including patrick roy.

the difference

Roy is only 35 while Bourque is 40

Roy has won like three cups,(or two) and Bourque none.. yet

so by this fact alone, Bourque is already brushed aside, but peeps know he is one of the best in what he is doing!

or we could add that Roy is also the winningest Goalie in NHL history!

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You know what happened. We are ONE, WE ARE, ahh.. er... I AM ...wehehehe and... Stay ahead of the Avalanche or risk being buried...

[Earthdog]

Well as I said earlier Roy is the all time winningest goaltender because hes had MORE opportunities than the other old timers. They played 60 game seaons or even 50 game seasons, and only played best of 3 or best of 5 playoff series in the first and second round. Play 10 years of olny 50 or 60 games per season and youre missing alot (about 200???)of games, not including playoffs.

Bourqe is a great player no doubt about it. unfortunately for him hes always been in a division with more dominant teams. Cam Neeley and Adam Oates werent enough to win a cup in Boston. BTW Cam Neeley is one of the best scorers in NHL History Tallying 50 goals in 40 games>>>>NHL RECORD. But he wasnt enough. Ya surely cant blame a lack of defense in Boston, it was lack of scoring. which is amazing since they did have a group of guys that could dent the twine. but these were also years that Edmonton, the Islanders, Calgary, Pittsburg, Detroit,
The Rangers, Devils, Stars, Leafs, Colorado, and Montreal were the dominant teams.

Bouqe only has one group of people to blame for not winning the cup>>>>>
Bruins team management. They didn get the best possible tean to surround such a great player.... one player does not a team make.

Lindros is a punk. Hey coach???? got an aspirin???? my head hurts!!!! whaaaa

Ask Derian Hatcher how tough he thinks Lindros is. True Lindros can score and is a decent passer. But hes gone soft and cant deal with teams targeting him with their best defensive units.

Will he ever play again???? the word right now is "NO". If the Fliers are willing to take a 7th round conditional draft pick he might have another chance.
Theres no way a team is going to give up a player like Mats Sundin in return for him (which is who the Fliers wanted along with 3 other players and 5 first round draft choices).

Lets face it---- the Fliers sold the farm (literally lost all their farm prospects) in order to acquire Lindros from Quebec for a pile of draft choices, which rebuilt the now Colorado Avalanche. Now the Fliers are trying to recoup the loss and it just will not happen. No team will make that mistake again, at least probably not in our lifetime. and DAMN sure not on Lindros especially now that its questionable as to him EVER playing again.

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THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

[ogopogo]

Earthdog... Neely was a great player but never 50 goals in 40 games. He scored 50 in 50 games. The record is Gretzky 50 goals in 39 games. (he scored 5 in the 39th game vs the Flyers) Again I am not saying anything against Neely and the Bruins but they had some pretty great teams but they ran into the Oilers and Islanders in the 80's. I agree with you about Lindros and The Flyers selling their team for him. He is/was a great player but his head is now far to prone to injury. The Flyers should fire Bobby Clark and rebuild from there if they want to improve imho.

[Earthdog]

Ogo, you could be right about Grazky holding that record but I know for a fact that Neely scored 50 in 40. I think one year he had 50 in 48, another year he had 50 in 42 and another year he had 50 in 40. At the time he was the model power forward in the league. Those years were 89-90 90-91 93-94. unsure of the actaul order though.... correct me if im wrong. i dont mind one bit. This is just the way i remember it.

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THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gwayne]

Colorodo is gonna WIN !!!!! Go Ray B.

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Walk lightly my friend.

[Bahamut]

you are right earth. the colorado, and new jersey (i think) are blessed with a great coaching staff and management.

as for Roy, hey, he was lucky, but that is just part of his game. he made that happen.

poor bourque and oates... hehehe

lindros, he was a waste. forsberg ended being more popular and a by far a better player than him.. though both are softies...

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You know what happened. We are ONE, WE ARE, ahh.. er... I AM ...wehehehe and... Stay ahead of the Avalanche or risk being buried...

[Earthdog]

also if I remember correctly the year he scored 50 in 40 was the year he had what turned out to be a career ending hip injury. I still dont think the bruins have recovered from that. It forced them to make too many changes too early. But it did give young players like Jason Allison a chance to show what they had.

Bobby Clark was a great player but he is sure crap as a GM. I think I could do better lol. Get rid of Lindros for the 7th round conditional pick and if he plays an entire season make it a 1st rounder. if he scores 50 goals make it 2 firsts, if he scores 40 goals make it a second or 2 seconds... thats what conditional picks are all about>>>>> performance.

if he never plays again..... at least they got a pick for him --- give up the pick and he doesnt play exchange the pick for a player to be named from a list to be choasen later........

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THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

[ogopogo]

Originally posted by Earthdog: Ogo, you could be right about Grazky holding that record but I know for a fact that Neely scored 50 in 40. I think one year he had 50 in 48, another year he had 50 in 42 and another year he had 50 in 40. At the time he was the model power forward in the league. Those years were 89-90 90-91 93-94. unsure of the actaul order though.... correct me if im wrong. i dont mind one bit. This is just the way i remember it.

I must correct you I wasnt totally sure but I am looking at the official stat book now and his best years were 50 in 49 - 1993-94 and 51 in 69 - 1990-91 and 55 in 76 - 1989-90. The only years hes gotten 50 or more goals. Still pretty impressive.
Btw I wish both teams could lose. I am sick of NJ's garbage style. And I am sick of Bourque. He should have stayed in Boston instead of crying about never winning the cup and wanting to get traded to a contender. ( -not everone can win the cup Ray. You should have kept your dignity and stayed in Boston, they could have used your leadership - ).
I had hoped for good hockey in the final for once in a long time but again it is the same boring s***. (clutch... grab... penalty... hope for a scoring chance... repeat...) Oh, how I long for the days of the Oilers, Flames, Habs and Islanders.(firewagon hockey)
Oh well, it is the same it seems every year lately, the fist round has great series' , the second round some good series' and the third and fourth(last) round BORING. Sorry to be such a downer but the hockey is boring... it is intense... but boring.
I will watch though

[Earthdog]

Well thats what I asked you to do Ogo but I still think Neely did it in 40 and then was injured. I can still remember the announcers talking about how it put his name in the record books with all the greats.


roy had a brain fart and blew another won. The so called winningest goalie had a chance to chalk up another victory and wasted it.... now its back to Jersey for game 5. not a position the Avs want to be in.

BTW about the all time winninest goalie thing. Bakc in the early days and up to the 40s they only played about 40 games. then in the 50s they went to 50 i think it was. then for a few seasons they played 60 and in the 60s and 70s they played 70..... thats a lot of man games that some truly great players (who didnt wear facemasks) didnt get to play.

Yes im harpin on it. Mario is the all time points per game leader by averagfing points forced per game, regular season or playoffs

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THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

[ogopogo]

Well it looks like we were both wrong. Neely scored 50 goals in 44 games that year. (his best 1993) That is the second fastest ever to do it. Only Gretzky 50 in 39 games and Mario 50 in 44 games as well. I have to disagree with you on the Sakic vs Jagr. They are both great players but I think Sakic is the better. Stats dont always tell the whole story. Heart and desire to win count for something and Sakic has that 10 fold over Jagr.
oh s*** late for work...