4th Discussion Thread for Shadow of Love

[dplax]

I have a question for Plaxica's movements: in human form he does not know exactly where Andrion is, so can not throw the net accurately at him, and in owl form, while he knows where Andrion is he can't throw the net.

Question is can he shift to owl form for the fraction of the second, while still holding the net, sense Andrion and then shifting back throw the net?

[dplax]

Found this on sorcerers.net

(this is how the spell is implemented in BG2)

CHROMATIC ORB [WIZARD]

School : Evocation
Range : Sight of caster
Components : V,S
Duration : Special
Casting Time : 1
Area of Effect : 1 creature
Saving Throw : Negates
Spell Level : 1

This spell causes a 4-inch-diameter sphere to appear in the caster's hand. When thrown, the sphere heads unerringly to its target. The effect the orb has upon the target varies with the level of the mage who cast the spell. A 1st-level sphere inflicts 1-4 damage and blinds the target for one round. A 2nd-level sphere inflicts 1-6 damage and inflicts pain upon the victim. A 3rd-level sphere deals 1-8 damage and burns the victim. A 4th-level sphere deals 1-10 damage and blinds the target for 10 rounds. A 5th-level sphere deals 1-12 damage and stuns the target for 3 rounds. The 6th-level sphere deals 2-16 damage and causes weakness in the victim. The 7th-level sphere deals 2-16 damage and paralyzes the victim for 20 rounds. A save against this spell negates both the damage and the other effects.

[Cyril Darkcloud]

Chromatic orb has always been a problem spell in no small part because it allows a first level spell to duplicate the effects of higher levels spells plus throw in a fair amount of damage as well.

And so, first things first, the petrifaction and death effects that are possible in some of rule book descriptions of the spell are not viable options -- that's grossly overpowered for a first level spell.

The seventh level effect listed above is also over-powered. 20 rounds of paralysis plus damage is simply too much for any first level spell.

If the spell is to have combination effects that are reasonable, their duration will have to be very brief - no more than 1-3 rounds - as this is a first level spell we're dealing with, not powerful magic.

[Legolas]

If the powder falls on Andrion, doesn't that mean it shows on the images too, as they presumably show him fully clothed? And if an unenchanted net is thrown over him, does it vanish from sight?

[Morgeruat]

I think that goes back to my original post on the nature of invisibility (the one I think Larry accepted), it's a 1-2" field around the caster (covers his clothes and him) things outside of it wouldn't be invisible, nor would a net which would cover an area larger that the small field that is made invisible, whereas the dust would rest on Andrion, and fall within the invisible area. (essentially this would put the 3rd lvl spell invis 10' radius as the same effect that simply extends farther from the caster)

edit, yes I believe the powder would appear on the images, as would a net if it hit him. {further edit} the net would also presumably take out any images it hit on it's way to the real target.

[ 02-03-2005, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]

[Bozos of Bones]

Then a 3 round stun, as on level 5&6 Chromatic Orb, plus the 2d8 magic damage I'd make a maximum.
And a Chromatic Orb is called Chromatic because it's not mono-chromatic, it's colorfull [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Gonna post now...

EDIT:
Now I posted, and I have a question or two. If Marcos is attacked, as a helpless target he is automatically hit, right? Oh, and did Ross hit me or not?

[ 02-03-2005, 01:48 PM: Message edited by: Bozos of Bones ]

[Morgeruat]

Since he is magically held you get a +20%, or +4 to your chance to hit, it's only automatic if he's asleep, magically or otherwise.

btw attacking someone with the reach a halberd has while someone is in your face would prettymuch negate any bonuses to hit, and could (dm option) grant the Silt a free attack against you if you take the time to get your +4 to hit.

[ 02-03-2005, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]

[dplax]

Oh and just as a reminder if anything attacks the skeleton then it shall turn on the one who attacked it. I guess with it's IQ of 2 it would even consider someone crashing into it as hostile action. And probably Silt/Kynnen falling could hit him. But the skeleton was also told not to attack Kynnen.

Oh and did anyone see my question about Plaxica higher up?

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by dplax: I have a question for Plaxica's movements: in human form he does not know exactly where Andrion is, so can not throw the net accurately at him, and in owl form, while he knows where Andrion is he can't throw the net. Question is can he shift to owl form for the fraction of the second, while still holding the net, sense Andrion and then shifting back throw the net?

I've seen and heard in several white wolf (makers of Werewolf the Apocalypse, and several supplements including wereravens) sourcebooks where part of the body could be changed, at great pain and effort of concentration.

As a human werecritter your sense of smell is much greater than normal, but without the blindfighting proficiency/talent/feat/skill I wouldn't let you use it to pinpoint him. with blindfighting you would close your eyes, and pay attention to non-visual cues, the sound of breathing, feet movement, chanting, etc to determine his location (essentially negating the benefits of both his mirror image spell and the invisibility) however throwing a net would be much harder than trying to stab him with your eyes closed, as proximity is much different, and there is another fight going on relatively close to Andrion.

[Larry_OHF]

You people are making me work hard!

Let's see. I don't even know where to start.

Let's start with Plaxica. If in owl form he sensed where Andrion is, then during the transformation into human he'd be melting shape and losing feathers, growing bones, and changing nostril passages...and as soon as he was able to have the strength after the painful(?) switch, he would be able to immediately attempt a throw of the net, guessing that Andrion could not come outside the ara of a net being thrown in the time that it would take to become human and throw it...even if Andrion was on the move...he'd still get hit by the net.

It is really up to you...since you are playing both characters. My judgement is that Plaxica could nab him easy. You play it the way you want it to come about.

Now for Chromatic Orb. Combining what Cyril said with what Bozos summarized...I will post the results in a moment, in the game.

For the Invisibility and the Mirror Images, I think what has been mentioned above says it all. The dust, the net, all that is well explained above. When the net is thrown, I will post whether or not it dissolved any images.

By the way...it is time to post passage of Time in the game. Look for that in a moment.

For the attack of Silt vs. Kynnen...let me get to that next, after I have taken care of the previous pending items.