To Kill An American

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Silver Cheetah: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: The last place you'll get a non-mulsim or a non-christian is in a mosque or church..........

Not true a bit. I love going into churches, specially the really pretty ones wiv frankinsence, cos they are great places to have a quiet and lovely time, surrounded by beauty. Good for meditation, also, as long as no sermon going on. As soon as anyone heaves himself up onto hind legs to start yapping tho, I'm out of there.[/QUOTE]...... in Singapore Cheetah. [img]smile.gif[/img] Sorry.

[Dundee Slaytern]

Well, there is this wonderful thing called peer pressure. Public preaching is disallowed, but people do still go around and spread the word among their friends, collegues, etc... Then there are the promotional pamplets and advertisements. People are still allowed to preach their religion, they just do it discreetly. It is generally more peaceful than a public rally too. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[K T Ong]

Singapore may not be as free as the Western countries, but for all that I don't feel as if I'm living in some hell-hole or something. So we don't enjoy the same religious freedom? Big deal.

I have talked to a number of Hindus and I have found them on the whole considerably more tolerant and even appreciative of other faiths. We can do with a bit more of that.

[K T Ong]

Originally posted by Yorick: They have their own nations though KT. The Souix nation for example.

Let me hear their own personal testimony first.

And it's Sioux, please.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by johnny: Nice post Lady Z, but you forgot to mention Dutch, don't forget that 30%(!) of the entire US population has his or hers roots in the Netherlands.

I got Dutch in the wood pile (ancestory)somewhere Along with Scot, English,Irish, German, and Cherokee. I'm am all American Mutt

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Yorick: quote: Originally posted by johnny: Nice post Lady Z, but you forgot to mention Dutch, don't forget that 30%(!) of the entire US population has his or hers roots in the Netherlands.

Never heard that one. There are 70 million of Irish descent though. Where did you get your figures for the Dutch?[/QUOTE]Yorick we are a inter-mixxed lot, Hardly a pure breed amounst us, there aren't many pedigrees here

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by K T Ong: Actually, when one comes to think of it, one is pretty much apt to wonder if the native American Indians would share the same enthusiasm for Independence Day as an American of Celtic/British decent. Certainly, reading about their unhappy history, I feel very sorry for them and less than pleased with the white settlers...

In some places they love it. The reservations are the only place you can get the good fireworks As a kid we used to go to the Yakima (sp?) reservation in Washington State to get our fireworks, they had the good stuff! fireworks that blew up things They're making money off us palefaces
But seriously ask the Navajho (sp?) that served in WWII if they love the 4th of July, or any of the other native peoples that have contributed to this country.

[ 07-04-2002, 12:14 PM: Message edited by: John D Harris ]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by K T Ong: quote: Originally posted by Yorick: They have their own nations though KT. The Souix nation for example.

Let me hear their own personal testimony first.

And it's Sioux, please.[/QUOTE]I work with one pure breed Amerindian, the grandaughter of a tribal chief actually. I also have two other friends who are 50% Amerindian. All three are very patriotic of their nation and of the USA. Can't speak for all, only all I know.

[Attalus]

Originally posted by Yorick: I work with one pure breed Amerindian, the grandaughter of a tribal chief actually. I also have two other friends who are 50% Amerindian. All three are very patriotic of their nation and of the USA. Can't speak for all, only all I know.

I don't think that they have a problem with the 4th, just Columbus, Custer, Kit Carson. Really, I can't complain. We didn't celebrate the Fourth in the South until WWII, some places.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by K T Ong: Singapore may not be as free as the Western countries, but for all that I don't feel as if I'm living in some hell-hole or something. So we don't enjoy the same religious freedom? Big deal. I have talked to a number of Hindus and I have found them on the whole considerably more tolerant and even appreciative of other faiths. We can do with a bit more of that.

Good for you. I've talked with many Hindus too. More tellingly I have spoken to a number of ex-Hindus who have been outcast from their families. All of them.

That's not tolerance KT.

Neither is the hatred Hindus in India have shown towards Christians (killed) and Muslims (Mosques burned) by Hindus nor the Hindus seeking to create Hindustan, a Fundamentalist Hindu state in India.

How dare a Dalit be president eh? Can't touch him....

Have you been follwing the "brink of nuclear war" stuff between Hindu Indians and Muslim Pakistanis or is that just me?

Regarding social freedoms, it's widely known that Singapore is more restrictive than other nations. HOWEVER, you have interpreted that negatively. Did I not say I love Singapore? I've only stated that on this board about half a million times.

I have defended the governments choices to westereners here aghast. In the microcosm that is Singapores history the choices make very good sense.

So ease up on the defensive rhetoric KT (over a number of posts now.) You're amongst friends. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 07-04-2002, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]