05-27-2003, 11:51 AM | #61 | |
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2. That's not my CD collection. I don't own any Geldof or Billy Bragg for starters. Though Bragg is exceptional. 3. The content is precisely what I have a problem with. If it was good, I wouldn't have a problem... 4. No it's a good analogy. He's using the medium to attack the medium. Hypocritical contradiction. If you can't see that... He's accepted the whole "starmaking" process and is using it to attack the "starmaking". He's also ignoring the fact that the kids he's criticising have made him who he is. He follows in the tradition of Morrison, Pearl Jam and others holding their fans and the process in derision. Nothing new or revolutionary there. The solution is as always to stop. Quit. Cease making CDs. Easy as one two three. Can he live without the money, the influence and the power he's gotten used to? Seems he wants his cake and to eat it too. 5. Yep. I did. 6. Biting the hand that feeds. If he really believed it, he'd find another way to get that message out. If he succeeds he proves himself wrong. If he fails, he proves himself wrong. Hypocritical, counterproductive contradiction. |
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05-27-2003, 12:10 PM | #63 |
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So, Yorick, you are saying that no artist can criticize himself and the medium he is a part of?
More importantly, are you saying a famous person and their art are inseperable? In both regards, I simply must disagree. Biting self-criticism is one virtue I respect the most. Of course, that's probably because I personally tend to try to do it. See, just like that. Ooops, did it again. Hmmm... final thoughts. 1. You, IIRC, are religious -- Christian in fact. How does a 13-year-old's wallpapering of their room with pictures from Bop and Vibe relate to that commandment about false idols. Or is the idolotry prohibition simply outdated in the modern era. 2. I'm getting a bleak picture of "freedom" in your world. Banned smoking, banned guns, banned SUVs, cameras everywhere enforcing the law, and anyone famous is forced to be a proper role model. 3. What is a proper role model? Maybe Kidman smoking IS being a good role model. "Hey, kids, look, this thing is not a drug everyone does 24/7 -- for some people, smoking is done in moderation. You wouldn't even know some people smoke, because they do it rarely." Wouldn't that be a great thing -- if we could relegate smoking to the occassional use other recreational drugs such as alcohol enjoy? Hmmm... responsibility, a new concept. More generally, some great "role models" were morally corrupt in their day. Dorothy Parker broke the law. What about all of the "out" famous fags back in the day when we thought all gay folks were going to be AIDS patients sooner or later? Simply, who defines the role a role model should play. If you can actually define it for me, I will argue you are not open-minded enough to be defining it. [ 05-27-2003, 12:18 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ] |
05-27-2003, 12:45 PM | #64 | ||
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I also think it is ridiculous for Mathers (or any other celebrity, singer, or sports star) to say "Hey, I ain't no role model - that's the parents job". Yes, to a degree it is. But after the Slim Shady album came out, I saw a 10yr old boy in the local Wal-Mart doing the "Slim Shady Shuffle" (rocking his shoulders side-to-side and using the same hand gestures as Mathers) as he walked through the store. Whether Eminem wants to accept it or not, kids ARE imitating his behavior..and are also "internilizing" the message of his songs. I cringe to think what that same 10yr old was thinking about after hearing "the Slim Shady" say he wanted to kill his mother in one of his songs. I can just visualize this kid pantomiming pointing a gun at his mom's head the next time she tells him he can't do something he wants to or go somewhere he wants to or have something he wants. Some of Mathers music may have an {somewhat} positive message underlying, but the majority of his songs are just filled with anger, hate, frustration, and violence against those that p--- him off (which seems to be just about everybody at some point in time). Is THAT the kind of message that young kids should be "vibing to"? Quote:
I respect your right to enjoy and appreciate whoever you identify with, but you couldn't have picked two artists that I personally dislike more if you had tried. Sorry my friend, that's just my opinion - so don't take it for any more than it's worth.
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Catch-22. [ 05-27-2003, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ] |
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05-27-2003, 12:55 PM | #66 | |
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I believe it was Aelia Jusa that mentioned the fact that Kidman didn't "light up" until the interview was basically over and all the questions had been asked. As she pointed out, there was no good reason for the media to even record her smoking - much less paste it all over the news and entertainment shows. But today's "societal norm" is that smoking is "bad" and should be avoided. So they caught a celebrity "being naughty" and that one action got far more coverage than the actual movie she was promoting.
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