Who's opinions are you more likely to pay attention to?

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by skywalker: Who's opinions are you more likely to pay attention to? As of the last few days....certainly not mine! Mark

eh? what? Someone say something?

[Grungi]

magik you didnt answer me question in my last post on this topic, id just be interested to hear your response on it? pm if you dont want to continue here.

Sorry Grungi, which one of your questions?

My position on how much weight I give to the thoughts and opinions of children, when it comes to things like world politics, raising children, foreign relations, forms of government and pretty much all fields where experience and accumulated wisdom is important is pretty much common knowledge here. I know a lot of the younger people (and a few older) were offended by my statements (admittedly I was pretty blunt) I weigh age when assessing the value of some posts and opinions. Sorry if that offends.

EDIT: The only reason I didn't answer sooner is because I re-injured my ribs and have been pretty much zonked out on pain meds the last 2 days.

[ 12-19-2002, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Grungi]

ooo the excuses you'll sink to, to avoid return posting , bad luck though, get well soon.
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and yeah you want to know who your talking to of course we all do, i want to know as well but in a debate its better not to know so that everyone is on equal ground:

eg if i happened to be a 14 year old who had gone through alot in my life but was also mature for my age and had a lot of very good opinions i would feel VERY upset if someone discounted my posts merely due to my age and the assumption i knew little compared to them because of it, assumption is the mother of all f... ups for my age i been through alot and experienced alot compared to so many of my friends, some have never even left the country which to me is a bit insular, their choice, but travelling opens your mind alot. I would be very annoyed if a 40 year old started saying he knows more than me or has experienced more than me on a said subject just because hes 40 and im 24, so you see why some people prefer not to post age or location etc.

now knowing what i know of you so far im pretty sure you'd take that 14 year old on the value of his posts and not his age because you seem to reason an argument before you reply, therefore contradicting what you said thats just my opinion and say im wrong if you will, but i feel you'd be reasonable when dealing with someone like that and not automatically discount them because of age.
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thats what i posted, so of course age matters in terms of experience but you cannot account for everyones different lifes, theres 14 year old who have far more life experience than many 40 year olds (like the moroccan teenager i know who stowed away aboard a ferry without food or water for a week to get out of the country and now lives in england on my damn taxes of 50 quid a week to live with some family (but thats another story grrrrr) , hes seen alot of life thats for sure) but yeah world politics as an example, you could have a 60 year old who doesnt care about world politics one jot and a 14 year old who took it at school, does it in his spare time and is completely into it, who would have the more informed opinion? ya cant go on age to judge a post or even prejudge it otherwise you may end up going completely off halfcocked (hmmm oxymoron in that sentence but you get the gist [img]tongue.gif[/img] ).

Oh Grungi, I wish it were an excuse, believe me...busted up ribs are not fun.

At any rate, the thread and my point was not about a controlled debate, but one that has degenerated from reasoned/reasonable point, counter-point.

Be that as it may, I don't care what a 14 year old has been through, they will still not have the benefit of sound judgement and wisdom that years bring. The one you are talking baout may know everything there is to know about stowing away but will still not be considered "wise" or learned in the ways of the world. In fact, the kid might just have a really really skewed view and base his opinions on many false assumptions. Im not saying age and experience cure people from false assumptions, but the older person is more than likely to be a more reliable person to seek out for wisdom and guidance.

Yeah I have heard all the arguments about "but what if" and "I am wise because I had a hard life" arguments on here. But that doesnt change what Im saying.

I had better just shut up though because I know I will insult people by being this blunt.

[ 12-19-2002, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Tristan Silverstar]

I respect anything people have to say as long as their posts are free of spelling mistakes, (major) grammatical errors, and any kind of trolling or flamebaiting. Having a sound, flawless argument which is well-articulated and comes accross eloquently helps a lot, too. I'm not bothered whether people have a profile or not. That's just an issue of privacy and how much they're willing to share with other people

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by MagiK: Oh Grungi, I wish it were an excuse, believe me...busted up ribs are not fun. At any rate, the thread and my point was not about a controlled debate, but one that has degenerated from reasoned/reasonable point, counter-point. Be that as it may, I don't care what a 14 year old has been through, they will still not have the benefit of sound judgement and wisdom that years bring. The one you are talking baout may know everything there is to know about stowing away but will still not be considered "wise" or learned in the ways of the world. In fact, the kid might just have a really really skewed view and base his opinions on many false assumptions. Im not saying age and experience cure people from false assumptions, but the older person is more than likely to be a more reliable person to seek out for wisdom and guidance. Yeah I have heard all the arguments about "but what if" and "I am wise because I had a hard life" arguments on here. But that doesnt change what Im saying. I had better just shut up though because I know I will insult people by being this blunt.

I get what you're saying Magik, and I agree. I don't think you're really insulting anyone here.

[Grungi]

your not insulting anyone i think, your just missing the fact a 50 year old can be more ignorant and less experienced or world wise than a 14 year old, this stow away im just giving as an example of an experience in his life, he cant speak a word of english he just spoke with my moroccan boss, i dont think hes experienced much of a western way of life, only been here a few months, but id say his opinions on the moroccan way of life hold more weight than any non moroccan in the rest of the world wouldnt you say? what im saying is everyone has different specialisations and knowledge to draw on, so you cant discount what they are saying, they may know more than you, therefore prejudging them means your automatically discounting their argument, which may well be a fully valid one. Id never discount peoples arguments based on their age or location alone, even though yes in the majority of occasions age does mean they know less, doesnt mean im not talking to one of the few who are more knowledgable, therefore look out for the exceptions, and discount noone just in case [img]tongue.gif[/img]

oh and tristan i make grammatical errors alot, not because i dont know im doing it (apostrophe missed out, small "i") but because i sacrifice accuracy in the interest of speed and replying to the point, id hope you would read and respect my post on its content over its grammatical correctness.

Originally posted by Tristan Silverstar: I respect anything people have to say as long as their posts are free of spelling mistakes, (major) grammatical errors, and any kind of trolling or flamebaiting. Having a sound, flawless argument which is well-articulated and comes accross eloquently helps a lot, too. I'm not bothered whether people have a profile or not. That's just an issue of privacy and how much they're willing to share with other people

that being the case you are sure to hate my posts

[Grungi]

i like the way "across" was spelt wrong in a post bemoaning bad spelling but no less the good post for it tristan [img]smile.gif[/img]