Taking out the trash in Yemen!!!

[Ziroc]

Originally posted by Legolas: I really hope you're all just caught up in the spirit of the moment (or whatever). Being labled a suspected or potential terrorist DOES NOT mean you lose all human rights. It also doesn't justify anyone dropping a hellfire missile on your head. Not many things do. I realise it's a sensitive subject, especially to Americans. I myself hold absolutely no love for terrorists, but will you just pause and take a look at what you're saying? If you're all completely serious about this, I can only say I'm disappointed.

Everyone has an opinion Legolas. Respect that. As for Human rights? They lost them when they killed 1000's of innocent Men, Women and CHILDREN.

Originally posted by Legolas: After all, what's a human life, if you'll excuse the sarcasm.

I agree to a point, but those human lives made decisions to hang out with a known wanted terrorist. You make your choices and you live with/or not, the consequences. Im not happy that humans were killed, I am overjoyed that there are 6 less terrorists to trouble my way of life.

[Ziroc]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Originally posted by Hayashi: 6 people died in the car. I hope, for the US's sake, that all 6 were truly guilty. Otherwise the US wouldn't be much better than the terrorists, would they?

IMO, if one was guilty, the rest were reasonable collateral damage.

Look, I know time has passed and now a lot of people want to lament the poor Yemeni. Let me remind you, however, that I, and I venture to say others who live in the US and actually suffered Sept 11, are pretty cool with the notion: If it wears a rag on its head, shoot it.[/QUOTE]That isn't true. (I don't feel that way). I have some good friends that are Arabs, and they are an extremely kind people.

It's just the fanatics... Christians have them too--here in the USA.. David Korish(sp)? So every race has it's evil.

[Spelca]

Originally posted by MagiK: quote: Originally posted by Legolas: After all, what's a human life, if you'll excuse the sarcasm.

I agree to a point, but those human lives made decisions to hang out with a known wanted terrorist. You make your choices and you live with/or not, the consequences. Im not happy that humans were killed, I am overjoyed that there are 6 less terrorists to trouble my way of life. [/QUOTE]But how can you be sure they knew they were in a car with a terrorist or that they were terrorists themselves? It says 'six suspected al Qaeda members' in the article.
To me, 'suspected' and 'maybe' is not enough to kill somebody (if you even have to kill...).

[Attalus]

Originally posted by Spelca: But how can you be sure they knew they were in a car with a terrorist or that they were terrorists themselves? It says 'six suspected al Qaeda members' in the article. To me, 'suspected' and 'maybe' is not enough to kill somebody (if you even have to kill...).

This is a war. Innocents get killed. They actively practice placing military targets among civilian populations to make it harder on those trying to take them out. We cannot be deterred by these tactics. As a surgeon, I hate removing normal tissue along with the cancerous, but if you do not, it will just spread and take over and kill more normal tissue, as well as the host organism (the patient in my case, the USA in the macroscope. We have to get rid of the disease. Later on, we can make nice with the rest.

[Memnoch]

Listen, fellas, before we all go around passing judgment here, I just want to highlight to people who might find it difficult to understand the "callous attitude" that Americans might appear to be showing with respect to this issue.

Those outside the US (myself included) do not and probably never will appreciate how 9/11 affected America and Americans. Irrespective of whether or not US policies stimulated the attack is irrelevant when it comes to trying to understand how Americans feel the way they do about these terrorists, and anyone who *might* be linked with them. It was their country that had its major landmark destroyed - the first time anyone's ever done it in US soil. Other parts of the world get blown up, but not the US - not until last year. Call it a loss of innocence. Australia is going through something similar right now with the Bali bombings - this kind of stuff happens in London, in Ireland, in Israel, in Italy - but not in the US and not in Australia.

I'm not saying this to excuse a form of behaviour - but I would hope that by putting yourselves in these people's shoes you can understand, if not accept, where they are coming from.

[Spelca]

Originally posted by Attalus: This is a war. Innocents get killed. They actively practice placing military targets among civilian populations to make it harder on those trying to take them out. We cannot be deterred by these tactics. As a surgeon, I hate removing normal tissue along with the cancerous, but if you do not, it will just spread and take over and kill more normal tissue, as well as the host organism (the patient in my case, the USA in the macroscope. We have to get rid of the disease. Later on, we can make nice with the rest.

Sure, this is war, and yes, in war innocents get killed. But wouldn't it be nice to at least try not to kill innocent people? And not have that 'ahh, I don't care how many civilians die, as long as we get one terrorist' attitude? You see, if we have this kind of attitude, then we're not much different than the terrorists. We should try to avoid civilian victims... And sometimes it seems like we don't and that people don't really care.

[ 11-05-2002, 10:16 AM: Message edited by: Spelca ]

[Timber Loftis]

Amen Attalus.

As for my off-color comment earlier, I must admit I had not fully awoken yet [img]graemlins/1drool.gif[/img] , and was selfishly and gleefully using IWF to help wake me up. At that point, I had merely shown up. [img]graemlins/goodmorning.gif[/img] Now, I'm present.

But, a lot of truth is said in jest.

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Let me remind you, however, that I, and I venture to say others who live in the US and actually suffered Sept 11, are pretty cool with the notion: If it wears a rag on its head, shoot it.

This is one of the worst pieces of racist, inflammatory twaddle that I've ever heard on this forum, Timber - very disappointed that it came from you. This type of attitude is exactly why the US are losing friends that it should have in the war against terror.

Disgraceful, mate.

Originally posted by Spelca: But how can you be sure they knew they were in a car with a terrorist or that they were terrorists themselves? It says 'six suspected al Qaeda members' in the article. To me, 'suspected' and 'maybe' is not enough to kill somebody (if you even have to kill...).

I think you read too much importance into those words. The Snipers they caught here in DC are "alleged Snipers" And are "Suspected" snipers even though they were caught red handed with the goods so to speak, The sky is suspected to be blue and the sun allegedly rises in the east and sets in the west. Those words mean less that you might think.

As for not knowing who is in the car, I have never been in a car with 6 people I did not know. (a bus yes, private car no) Not to mention the fact that the one guy has had his name and face plastered all over the middle east as either a "hero" or "villian" for his actions ever since the Cole was bombed. There is a reason that the CIA spent several million dollars watching for and tracking this guy, and a good reason to use a weapon that cost several tens of thousands of dollars to kil him, not everyone wants to use a million dollar cruise missile to blow up a $3 tent. (their budget has been pretty tight, so they do not waste their assets capriciously)

[ 11-05-2002, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: MagiK ]