US ports

[Chewbacca]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: quote: Originally posted by Memnoch: I thought these ports had been British operated by P&O for some time now? If the problem was about outsourcing security then shouldn't these questions have been raised back when P&O took over the operation of these ports?

Which is exactly why I noted that this whole tempest originates from prejudice. As long as some limey was running it, no one cared, but put an arab at the helm and we go nuts. [/QUOTE]Oh come one now! That's a crock. There are enough holes in the deal to warrant rational skeptikism. The implication that if "your are against the port deal you are racist" is simply wrong.

The race card is an over-played weak hand. So I raise the race card with another over-played hand, but one not as weak: The patriot card. Is it patriotic to favor a company owned by a foriegn government over seeking alternatives closer to home? Particularly with regards to something as important to our security and prosperity as the ports on our shores.

[ 02-28-2006, 01:07 AM: Message edited by: Chewbacca ]

[Timber Loftis]

And the reason you weren't bitching when some Brit bought it is..... .... ?????????

[Morgeruat]

Firstly it wasn't owned by the British gov't, Secondly we've seen enough allegations of graft to raise suspicions that the deal was pushed through because of favors to the Bush family.

I'd be perfectly happy with legislation stating that foreign governments can't control US ports, not arab countries, not arab businesses, but no foreign governments period.

[wanderon]

So your answer then is to make the govt take over the operation of every terminal in America becuase theres no way you can throw out the foriegn companies currently operating terminals otherwise.

You don't even want to think about what this would cost in dollars to buy out every lease holder currently operating and even less about the cost in efficiency if you let the govt operate the terminals as opposed to private enterprise.

[Morgeruat]

no, merely to buy out the contracts of ports controlled by foreign governments not independent companies based in foreign countries, geez you don't read very well do you. There are alot of US businesses based in the bahamas to avoid US taxes, even if it's just a mailbox, they are considered "foreign business" but are not controlled by a foreign government, even China nowadays doesn't have every business operating within it nationalized and I have no problem with private citizens or even public companies owning and performing port operations, but a company set up by a foreign government, operated and directly answerable to a foreign government is a security problem, even if only for the extra vigilance it will cause security at the port authority.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: And the reason you weren't bitching when some Brit bought it is..... .... ?????????

Because we're your friends! [img]graemlins/firedevil.gif[/img]


It's easy to see why people might suspect race is an issue here, even if there are legitimate security concerns...after all, they probably have tighter security than we do if our borders are anything to go by

[ 02-28-2006, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

[Sir Degrader]

Your ignoring the main point.

THEY TUK IR JOBS!

[Memnoch]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: You know what, the more I learn about this the more I think it's a tempest in a teapot. It really is true -- the outrage against this deal comes not from knowledge, but really from prejudice. On the other hand, Lou Dobbs broke a story yesterday about the Bush's ties to this deal. Apparently W's brother (Jeb?) is involved in selling stock related to this deal recently. I wish I caught Lou last night, but alas and alack the Demons and Ogres in Dire Maul needed sweeping.

Torpedoing this deal because of alleged political favours by Geedubya is much more valid than torpedoing it because it's a foreign government/company running it IMO. Less hypocritical too.

[Memnoch]

Have any of you guys looked at the DPW website to actually see what this company is all about?

Here are the list of ports managed by country.

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Country 	Dominican Republic



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility



Caucedo

	



Container Terminal

	



Caucedo Container Terminal

 

Country 	Venezuela



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Puerto Cabello 	  Container Terminal 	Cabello Container Terminal

 

Country 	Germany



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Germersheim 	Container Terminal 	Dpi Terminals Germersheim

 

Country 	Romania 	 



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Constanta 	Container Terminal 	Constanta South Container Terminal

 

Country 	Morocco 	 



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Tangiers 	Free Zone 	Tangiers Free Zone

 

Country 	Saudi Arabia 	 



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Jeddah 	Container Terminal 	Jeddah South Container Terminal

 

Country 	Djibouti 	 



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Djibouti 	Free Zone 	Djibouti Free Zone

Djibouti 	Airport 	Djibouti International Airport

Djibouti 	Port Management 	Port of Djibouti

 

Country 	U.A.E.



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Fujairah 	Container Terminal 	Fujairah Container Terminal

 

Country 	India



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Cochin 	Container Terminal 	Rajiv Gandhi Container Terminal

Vallarpadam 	Container Terminal Project 	India Gateway Container Terminal

Visakhapatnam 	Container Terminal 	Visakha Container Terminal

 

Country 	China



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Shanghai 	Logisitcs Facility 	Shaghai JIFA

Yantian 	Logistics Facility 	ATL Yantian

Hong Kong 	Logistics Facility 	ATL Hong Kong

Hong Kong 	Container Terminal 	Hong Kong CT3

Hong Kong 	Container Terminal 	Hong Kong CT8

Tianjin 	Container Terminal 	Tainjin Orient Container Terminal

Yantai 	Container Terminal 	Yantai Container Container Terminal

 

Country 	Malaysia



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Port Klang 	Free Zone 	Port Klang Free Zone

 

Country 	South Korea



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Busan 	Container Terminal Project 	Busan Newport Company

 

Country 	Australia



Port

	



Operation

	



Facility

Adelaide 	Container Terminal 	Adelaide Container Terminal

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[wanderon]

And what exactly does that show them to be "all about"??

Other than a company involved in global container shipping?