Should Van Tuong be hanged?

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by johnny: Does that mean you also approve of women being stoned to death in Iran, for whatever petty reason they see fit in that country ? After all...Iran is a sovereign nation and it's their approach of certain matters. Or the cutting off of the hands of a person who stole something in Saudi Arabia ? Those are just as barbaric acts as hanging someone over drugtraficking from my point of view. ~

If I entered Saudi Arabia knowingly that my hands will be lopped off for stealing, and still steal anyway, then I was a damned fool for deciding to steal in the first place.

"Caution, Minefield
Do Not Enter"

Do you still then blissfully stroll across?!?! Is it wise to dip your bare hands into an acid vat just because there is a diamond at the bottom?

Not approving of another country's law is one thing, everybody has their own opinions, but expecting said country to disregard their own laws just because they do not coincide with another country's laws is also not in good taste, in my personal opinion.

For all I care, the protestors can scream, threathen, swear holy fire and vengence, but the law, our law, will not be compromised. When we read of our own being hanged in other countries, too bad, so sad, they made the wrong choice.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Davros: I voted yes. Do I agree with capital punishment - NO. Do I agree with the sovereign right of a country to make laws to govern its citizens by - YES. Did the bloke know the clear risks in doing what he did - YES. Did he get caught red handed without a shadow of a doubt with packets of heroin strapped to him - YES. Case closed. Should we pour in time and money into trying to get the sentance downgraded to life in prison - YES, but if the government of Singapore sticks to its principles then we have no other option than to accept it. Does that make the taking of human life right - NO, but this guy was no innocent baby trying to put his hand in ther fire - he knew what was in store for himself.

I'm probably in about 90% agreement with you here, suprise, suprise.

[Morgeruat]

Originally posted by Szass-Tam: Hang on a second. Firstly, execution is, in simplest terms, state-sanctioned killing, and it devalues the respect we place on human life; how can we say that killing is wrong if we sanction killing criminals? Secondly, by executing criminals you are ruling out the possibility of rehabilitation - that they may repent of their crime, serve a sentence as punishment, and emerge as a reformed and useful member of society.

It depends, in most prisons incarceration is not designed to rehabilitate, but to sequester the criminal from normal society, punish them for what they did, and release them again. Prisons that teach a trade and marketable skills would be better than a hole to stick convicts in, but in most places it's not going to happen.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Szass-Tam: Hang on a second. Firstly, execution is, in simplest terms, state-sanctioned killing, and it devalues the respect we place on human life; how can we say that killing is wrong if we sanction killing criminals?

The same way we can say that imprisoning someone is wrong, even though we imprison criminals. Dee Dee Dee.

I voted no, because there should be no drug laws. Period. Full stop. Completely support the right of a society to establish punishment by death, so long as the punishment fits a like crime. Completely deplore drug laws.

[ 11-28-2005, 09:42 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[johnny]

from Dundee Slaytern If I entered Saudi Arabia knowingly that my hands will be lopped off for stealing, and still steal anyway, then I was a damned fool for deciding to steal in the first place.

Well, i don't think there are thieves anywhere, who wake up one morning and decide to go to Saudi Arabia to steal a bread, or whatever. But it's a little different if you're a native and are among those hundreds of thousands who live in poverty, below any human decency. First the government keeps them poor, and then when they try to steal something to feed their families, they cut off their hands, or worse. Don't you see anything wrong in this picture ?

Not approving of another country's law is one thing, everybody has their own opinions, but expecting said country to disregard their own laws just because they do not coincide with another country's laws is also not in good taste, in my personal opinion.

But we can at least try to make them change their laws, threaten with sanctions if they don't adjust. It's not that your law is waterproof or anything. How many people fell victim to your law, because someone unknown to them hid drugs in their suitcases just before getting on a plane ?

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

If that includes having sex with my own sister, then no thank you. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 11-28-2005, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: johnny ]

[Morgeruat]

Having seen your "sister", I wouldn't have sex with "her" either [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 11-28-2005, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]

[Hivetyrant]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: quote: Originally posted by johnny: Does that mean you also approve of women being stoned to death in Iran, for whatever petty reason they see fit in that country ? After all...Iran is a sovereign nation and it's their approach of certain matters. Or the cutting off of the hands of a person who stole something in Saudi Arabia ? Those are just as barbaric acts as hanging someone over drugtraficking from my point of view. ~

If I entered Saudi Arabia knowingly that my hands will be lopped off for stealing, and still steal anyway, then I was a damned fool for deciding to steal in the first place.

"Caution, Minefield
Do Not Enter"

Do you still then blissfully stroll across?!?! Is it wise to dip your bare hands into an acid vat just because there is a diamond at the bottom?

Not approving of another country's law is one thing, everybody has their own opinions, but expecting said country to disregard their own laws just because they do not coincide with another country's laws is also not in good taste, in my personal opinion.

For all I care, the protestors can scream, threathen, swear holy fire and vengence, but the law, our law, will not be compromised. When we read of our own being hanged in other countries, too bad, so sad, they made the wrong choice.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do. [/QUOTE]Phew, I'm glad there are a few here that see things the way I do

[Hivetyrant]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: UPDATE: Trade Unions threaten sanctions: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/as...re.hanging.ap/

grrr [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] there is nothing worse than someone speaking as if their opinion is that of the entire country.

Not all of us believe he should be let off.

EDIT:And WTF!?!?!? A trade sanction? how is that going to make things better? if anything, that is just going to make matters a WHOOOOOLE lot worse

[ 11-28-2005, 04:00 PM: Message edited by: Hivetyrant ]

[shamrock_uk]

Heh, well his executioner has just been sacked.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Hivetyrant: quote: Originally posted by Sir Degrader: UPDATE: Trade Unions threaten sanctions: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/as...re.hanging.ap/

grrr [img]graemlins/1pissed.gif[/img] there is nothing worse than someone speaking as if their opinion is that of the entire country.

Not all of us believe he should be let off.

EDIT:And WTF!?!?!? A trade sanction? how is that going to make things better? if anything, that is just going to make matters a WHOOOOOLE lot worse [/QUOTE]How is that making things worse ? If they adjust their laws regarding drugs, there's nothing wrong, and it will be business as usual. If not, well then the consequences are theirs. If you insist in acting like barbarians, then expect to be treated likewise.