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Aboriginal and Amerindian societies had what amounts to environmental policies in their SUBSISTENCE economies. Respect for the land, care for the cycle, for the balance, living in harmony with their environment rather than changing it unrecognisably. Certainly these cultures clung to the environment long before the west began threatening it. Their cultures were built around such concepts. [/QUOTE]Yorick I don't know about the Aborignal societies of downunder, but you might want to check out the history of the Anistazy(sp?) Indians(anceistors of most of the SW Indians) of the SW USA they destroyed their enviroment(over farming), and eventually sunk to the level of canabilism. Check out the Mississippian (mound builders) they eventually it is believed sank into civil war, and any rate they ceased to exsist. Sorry Yorick but there is NO way you can sell me the bill of goods about the Indians being the most wonderful and perfect people that ever walked the face of the earth. Don't even try this they only killed what they could eat crap. They killed what they could get their hands on. Throughout the west there are archiology digs at many sites where the most eviromental friendly people that ever walked the face of the earth, ran entire herds of buffalo off cliffs and then took what they could carry, and left the rest to ROT.
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Yorick, by a "sheet" I meant the white kind, that you wear when visiting friends around a bonfire.
![]() Now, as for consenting animals, once you figure out how to talk to a duck and obtain its consent, then as far as I'm concerned it's okay for you to ____ the duck. As for paedophilia, I don't think you made the argument that children can consent. I'm not going there -- unless you make the argument. As for the consanguinity laws, I don't disagree -- they probably aren't needed. EXCEPT, to the extent they can prevent legitimizing molestation in the home, which may be where the laws originated to begin with. As for polygamy, I've got no problem with it philosophically. In reality, the polygamistic families I've seen tend to be scary patriarchal enclaves, where fathers do marry their daughters, etc. And, they exist in places other than Utah, FYI. There are quite a number of polygamist societies all over the American west. Anyway, what do I care -- why is it my place to tell a man he can't put up with 2 women if that's what he wants? Now, this does present a problem because marriage is not just moral or religious, but also legal. And, with multiple people benefitting from the same legal protection, we could have a problem. All the more reason to do away with legal marriage altogether and make it purely a religious thing... Anyway, with all due respect, I still see your take on who can adopt as ludricrously illogical: Only couples who could procreate, if they were in perfectly working order as nature intended, may adopt. Well, that's just silly, man. In fact, it targets couples who generally don't need to or want to adopt. Would you let single people adopt? Anyway, I'll say it again, two fathers is way better than none. For all your "love is everything" message you spout, on this issue you're as guilty as drawing an arbitrary line as any of us are. Oh, and while we're at it, you keep referring to nature, and every mammal in nature exhibits homosexual tendancies. So, you're barking up the wrong tree there, too. |
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Yep. American Indians did import and cultivate corn. As JD says, it was a high mountain grass from Mexico. It was one of our first nonindigenous species invasions. [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]
Wouldn't that make them Agrarian? Indians also burned the entire state of Kentucky every few years. Set the whole thing on fire. Was it to promote ground fertility or was it to ensure that none of the Indian nations bordering around Kentucky could ever inhabit Kentucky and increase their territory? Hmmm...... |
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Plently of scenarios where it would make perfect sense for the single parent to adopt. Bob Geldof is another example. He could adopt Tiger-Lily so she is incorporated into the same family as her half-sisters, despite losing both parents. None of this makes my reasoning hypocritical nor the argument invalid. |
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Kind of elementary. Growth doesn't occur in a vacuum, but is at the expense of something else. If you base your entire financial plan around sprouting new franchises everywhere, it's not a sustainable way to exist. Sooner or later every corner will have a macDonalds on it. What then? |
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