American Captive Beheaded in Iraq

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Originally posted by Yorick: Cerek, facts are seemingly irrelevent to Skunks posts.

And so are comments like this. What are you trying to prove here, Yorick? That you can kick someone really hard?

[Stratos]

Originally posted by Link: quote: Originally posted by Cerek the Barbaric: As for Propoganda USA, ABC (the American Broadcasting Channel) was the FIRST network to issue an internal memo stating that their news personnel should STOP wearing American Flag pins on thier outfits shortly after 9/11, because it might offend some of the Muslim audience. EXCUSE ME??? The American Broadcasting Channel doesn't want their employees to wear American flag pins because it might offend a minority of their audience???

I'm sorry Cerek, but what idiot patriotic broadcasting channel lets its employees wear American Flag pins??? What's the supposed reason for that? Because Americans feel proud for their country? You got to be kidding me!

I'm not trying to offend you or attack you here, but I think Americans are taking it one step too far by doing these type of things... even if it's just about a pin. American Patriotism is closer to fanaticism if you'd ask me. [/QUOTE]I see nothing wrong in wearing flag pins. I wouldn't do it myself, but I see nothing wrong about it.

[Timber Loftis]

If an American flag pin offends someone here, including but not limited to Muslims, they can simply leave. You don't have to like the US -- we have that freedom, and you can voice your dislike all you like. But, you can't whine that some of us love our country and take pride in it.

I can't believe the way you're representing the US media, Skunk. I mean, every news station tries to present the news most relevant to its viewers, of course, but our news sources here include many that are very critical of the government. Bah, why waste my time -- you're gonna think what you want.

Oh, on the allegation about the sources I quote. I want to clue you in -- a couple of my sources of my sources of information are confidential communications that I cannot post. But, even if my primary news sources are the US, I still bounce those off other world news sources to get a different view. The easiest way for me to do that is to come here -- and read the stuff you link. So, I fail to see what point you're making about the sources I link.

Besides, facts are facts, and I read news reports just to extract the relevant facts -- I'm not really there to read the opinion or spin the person is presenting.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: I mean, every news station tries to present the news most relevant to its viewers, of course, but our news sources here include many that are very critical of the government.

Wait... you're not suggesting there's an OPPOSITION party are you? You're not suggesting 50% of Americans don't even vote, let alone vote for Bush are you? America is not monochromatic in political view? What? There's no antiwar movement? Or anti-Bush sentiment? What country have I been living in the last 3 years??? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Oh, on the allegation about the sources I quote. I want to clue you in -- a couple of my sources of my sources of information are confidential communications that I cannot post. But, even if my primary news sources are the US, I still bounce those off other world news sources to get a different view. The easiest way for me to do that is to come here -- and read the stuff you link. So, I fail to see what point you're making about the sources I link. Besides, facts are facts, and I read news reports just to extract the relevant facts -- I'm not really there to read the opinion or spin the person is presenting.

Hear hear.

[Donut]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: If an American flag pin offends someone here, including but not limited to Muslims, they can simply leave. You don't have to like the US -- we have that freedom, and you can voice your dislike all you like. But, you can't whine that some of us love our country and take pride in it.

Stop pouting Timber. Nobody said you shouldn't wear flag pins.

In Britain we require the BBC to be "fair and balanced" in it's reporting. Flag pins are out, as are flags in the top left hand corner of the screen when the news is on.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Link: I'm sorry Cerek, but what idiot patriotic broadcasting channel lets its employees wear American Flag pins???

One that's in a nation that just suffered it's worst attack ever. One just dealt a massive kick in the guts that needed every bit of solidarity it could get.

Would you condemn Spainish for wearing flags after the train attack? Show some sensitivity. Or is your memory deficient to the point that 9/11 holds no relevence or meaning to you?

Certainly your inability to understand little human things like grief, bonding, loyalty, pain and suffering are bewildering to say the least.

What's the supposed reason for that? Because Americans feel proud for their country? You got to be kidding me! I'm not trying to offend you or attack you here, but I think Americans are taking it one step too far by doing these type of things... even if it's just about a pin. American Patriotism is closer to fanaticism if you'd ask me.

Why should one culture criticise another Link? You're being bigotted. American patriotism makes perfect sense given the DIVISIONS within the nation. Divisions you clearly don;t understand, or you would see American patriotism as necessary to the very fabric of the country.

In short mind your own business and leave a patriot to wear a flag if he feels so moved. It shows meanness of spirit, pedantism and bitterness to condemn or ridicule a person for have LOVE.

LOVE of country is a wonderful thing. Love is a wonderful thing. So Americans are proud of their country? Perhaps you're jealous? That's all it seems to be when you rant like this. A little jealous person who is envious that their country isn't as good.

If not, you should think about the picture you're presenting when you ridicule LOVE of country.

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Donut: quote: Originally posted by Timber Loftis: If an American flag pin offends someone here, including but not limited to Muslims, they can simply leave. You don't have to like the US -- we have that freedom, and you can voice your dislike all you like. But, you can't whine that some of us love our country and take pride in it.

Stop pouting Timber. Nobody said you shouldn't wear flag pins.

In Britain we require the BBC to be "fair and balanced" in it's reporting. Flag pins are out, as are flags in the top left hand corner of the screen when the news is on. [/QUOTE]But what about when they show Australian flags?

[Yorick]

Or New Zealand flags? Do they take out the Union Jack then?

[johnny]

Three strikes in a row... you're out Yorrrick.

[Timber Loftis]

In Britain we require the BBC to be "fair and balanced" in it's reporting. Flag pins are out, as are flags in the top left hand corner of the screen when the news is on.

I didn't realize that -- it explains why you may see it as odd here. Here, we don't have that rule, and I see no problem with it. Oh, and "fair and balanced" has a different trademarked meaning here, as you know.

American patriotism makes perfect sense given the DIVISIONS within the nation.

I agree with Yorick on this. In the U.S., the single thing that binds us together is that nothing binds us together. We don't share a common history (to really speak of) or culture, we come from all different places, we've had a civil war, etc. The one thing that has always been a binding ideal here has been our freedom under the law to be so very different from one another. While I realize that is basically true in many countries today, it is an ideal that we have clung to a made a totem for a long time here. So, being that so little has every been there to really bind us, we rely more heavily on the symbols behind the ideals on which our country was founded, including the flag.

On another note, I think that all countries should have a great deal of national pride and unity. You should at least love your country as much as you love your local sports team, for criminey's sake. And, while we may be under the gun for it these days, we're not the only country to have this level of national pride. I think British, Aussie, German, French, and Iraqi national pride are examples of ones that run pretty high as well.