Eastern themed party

[250]

Originally posted by Lifetime: 250, I have nothing against you personally, but I do believe you're being a little unfair towards the Asian culture. I believe that the argument to include Wizards was because firstly, they are essential to successful play in BG2, and secondly, they can be linked to asian themes. If Arthur can have Merlin, why not the Qin Emperors and their Court Scientists? And in case you think that there WERE no educated men of that caliber capable of performing the amazing (in the eyes of a commoner) feats, China had an imperial school and held national examinations to locate talented men to serve in the Imperial Courts. Nobody is saying that there is a direct example of mages and wizards in Chinese or Japanese history (though there WERE many shamans and holy men believed to have divine powers in other parts of Asia) like there is to Assassins or Kensai, however it is entirely possible to link the Educated Men in the Chinese Dynasties to the Mages in BG2. This post is still on forming an Asian themed party for enjoyment, not historical accuracy. IF you wish to discuss Asian history and folklore, I would be happy to do so in the General Forum. There Is a possibility that wizards can be linked to Figures in Chinese History and Mythology, and thats what the person who recommended mages(Yorick? Im not sure) was thinking I'm sure. Kensai are not the direct translation of Samurai, Monks are not the direct translation of ShaoLin Martial artists and I'm sure that nobody debates the fact that Wizards and Sorcerors are not direct translations of Early Chinese Scientists, so please be more open minded when dealing with other members of this board. We are all entitled to our own opinions on playing the game.

ok, you seem to know quite a lot about asia, are you an asian? anyway

my point is still there isn't wizard in asia. the example in china, what anceint chinese practiced, was something called "ki" (yes, not only in fiction and BGII) people still pratice it today. "ki" is a nuatual ability of human being, it is science, not mythology.

about imperial school, it got nothing to do with impressive feats. it was a school for government to choose young talents (future officers/generals/ministers)

a mature description/tale/fiction about wizard had NEVER been heard of in china. and yes, there were witch doctors, and as well as some natives with "godlike" abilities. but they are not wizards. in my opinion, wizards are ones praticed magic with 8 different schools, divination, conjuration, enchentment, necromecy, abjuration, etc. if that is the case, then there isn't ANY wizard in asia.

[Yorick]

Forget it Lifeline. I don't think he even reads the posts we write. It's a waste of time. Every counter to that last statement by "Number boy" has already been covered in previous posts. No new points, arguments or counters at all.

We should grab a coffee or something mate? Whaddya say?

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[This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 03-14-2001).]

[250]

Originally posted by Yorick: Forget it Lifeline. I don't think he even reads the posts we write. It's a waste of time. Every counter to that last statement by "Number boy" has already been covered in previous posts. No new points, arguments or counters at all. We should grab a coffee or something mate? Whaddya say?

every counter to that last.... because the previous post is not right. you havent given any strong support for the existence of wizard in asian culture. things like preists and withdoctors are not wizards at all, the formal is cleric, the later is herders. so what else are you trying to say here?

[Moiraine]

It is all a matter of what you put into the words "magic" and "wizard", it seems. What is your definition, 250 ?

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[Moiraine]

It is all a matter of what you put into the words "magic" and "wizard", it seems. What is your definition, 250 ?

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[250]

Originally posted by 250: ok, you seem to know quite a lot about asia, are you an asian? anyway my point is still there isn't wizard in asia. the example in china, what anceint chinese practiced, was something called "ki" (yes, not only in fiction and BGII) people still pratice it today. "ki" is a nuatual ability of human being, it is science, not mythology. about imperial school, it got nothing to do with impressive feats. it was a school for government to choose young talents (future officers/generals/ministers) a mature description/tale/fiction about wizard had NEVER been heard of in china. and yes, there were witch doctors, and as well as some natives with "godlike" abilities. but they are not wizards. in my opinion, wizards are ones praticed magic with 8 different schools, divination, conjuration, enchentment, necromecy, abjuration, etc. if that is the case, then there isn't ANY wizard in asia.

this is my definiton, the last paragraph.
this is my opinion, you can try and convice me it is wrong, or show yours is right, or dont care at all. I will listen if I see it makes sense.

[Lifetime]

Its Lifetime heh. And Yes, I'm a American Born Chinese living in Singapore..Funky stuff.
Oh yeah I dont take Coffee, but something else might do fine
250, I concede your point, however I ask you, are there any necromancers or transmuters in Europe, or Africa, for that matter? I ask you to look from a different perspective, not to change your own, which is undoubtedly also correct in it's own way.

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[Yorick]

Originally posted by Lifetime: Its Lifetime heh. And Yes, I'm a American Born Chinese living in Singapore..Funky stuff. Oh yeah I dont take Coffee, but something else might do fine 250, I concede your point, however I ask you, are there any necromancers or transmuters in Europe, or Africa, for that matter? I ask you to look from a different perspective, not to change your own, which is undoubtedly also correct in it's own way.

The Bard also has nothing to do with it's historical namesake. Bards were part of the Druid social class that amongst other things commited history to memory through melodic retention. Druids were the priest class on the highest social ladder, not isolationists like in Faerun.

Let's do it then Lifetime (sorry). Drop me an email.


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[Yorick]

P.S. The mythical figure of Merlin was actually a Celtic Druid, not a Wizard if we're going to be precise.

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[Moiraine]

Same concepts get different names in different cultures. Troubles arise when different people put different notions under the same name. Man is said to be flexible and able to adapt to any situation. No need to fight for words (that is, is you don't find fun in the fighting process).

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