X2 : Mutant identification

Originally posted by Arnabas: A little-known fact (or at least I don't know many other people who are aware of it) is that mutants came about due to the intervention of the Celestials. During one of their visits to pre-historic earth they altered humanity's genetic code to allow for the possibility of genetic mutations when the conditions were right. So, Finn, I guess that makes mutants "cosmic powered", too.

<font color="#f683ad"> Hey! I remember that! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Hmmmm Need to reresearch my Carrol Danvers data.. Guess I f'd up on her ending up a herald of Galactus....</font>

Originally posted by Azred: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MagiK: Nova by the way was the former Ms. Marvel (aka Carol Danvers) before Rogue sucked the juce right out of her</font>

<font color = lightgreen>I'm afraid I must disagree with you here, MagiK. Nova was Frankie Ray, who had powers similar to Johnny Storm (the Human Torch). In fact, they were dating when Galactus came back to Earth and was so weak he was going to "have lunch". He wanted a herald and she volunteered because she wanted to travel through the universe, thus he turned her into Nova. She later became involved with the Silver Surfer but eventually died (I think).

What is not discussed often is that those who gained their powers through some sort of accident (like the Fantastic Four) have an induced mutation and are thus mutants; the X-Men are natural mutants.</font> </font>[/QUOTE]<font color="#f683ad"> Ok She didn't become a Herald for Galactus, but she became Binary not Nova....My bad. [img]smile.gif[/img] thanks for keeping me honest
and she was powerd by a White hole not "The Power Cosmic" </font>

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[ 05-20-2003, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Finn: <font color="white">Well said, Magik [img]smile.gif[/img] Apparently, Marvel has a thing for "cosmic" forces. If I remember correctly, the members of the Fantastic Four were imbued with cosmic rays which gave rise to their powers. Its as if they've run out of ways to imbue/create superheroes. Some examples being Spiderman(radioactive spider bite), Hulk(Gamma radiation), Flash(lab experiment gone wrong)...etc...etc... At least with the X-Men, they don't have to stress their grey matter too much. With some exceptions, most if not all X-men(villians included) got their abilities through gene mutation. End of Story. [img]smile.gif[/img] Dont' get me wrong, I'm not complaining. Comic books have fueled the imagination of my generation with pseudo-science and what nots. </font color>

<font color=deepskyblue>You also have to keep that all of these characters (except for the Flash) were created by Stan Lee back in the 50's and 60's. It was the height of the Cold War and the dropping of the first two atomic bombs was still "recent history" at that time.

Radiation (and it's "unknown" effects) was the most prevelant fear of most Americans (if not the world) during this time. So it makes sense that Stan Lee would use this "unknown" phenomena as the catalyst for the emergence of super-powers in otherwise normal humans. Nobody knew what types of mutations could be caused by radiation at that time, but fearful speculation created some outrageous scenarios.

Watch any B-Horror movies from that time, or episodes of the original Twilight Zone. You'll find that "radiation poisoning/mutation" etc was the primary cause in several of the storylines.</font>

<font color="#f683ad">Cerek, Don't forget Godzilla [img]smile.gif[/img] ohhh man there were so so many raidation induced B-movies [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

[Finn]

<font color="cyan">Thank you Arnabas and Cerek for broadening my view on this subject matter. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font color>

<font color="white">Yes, its very true that comic books reflect the socio-political, science and technological climate of their particular era. Just take the new Spiderman movie for example, they've updated the "origins" of Spidey's power from a "radioactive spider bite" to a "genetically altered spider bite".

I'm looking forward to watch the Incredible Hulk movie which will be out sometime soon(I hope). Apparently, from the trailer, I got the impression that it wasn't the Gamma Ray that turned Bruce into the Hulk, somehow, the "Hulk" persona/power was already innate in him and the gamma radiation incident served as some form of trigger/catalyst. Well, its still too early to speculate and most likely I'm reading things between the lines that aren't even there in the first place. </font color>

[Niadh]

Just to add to teh list of things on the computer screen.

The sentinel project name (hehehehe)
Frankilin Richards (Fantastic Four, the child of some of them.)

I think it might have been Franklin Richards watching the TV. OR Harry Potter.

[Finn]

<font color="white">Thanks Niadh. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Yea, that kid sure did look a whole lot like Harry Potter. [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]

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[Niadh]

My friends said something like that too.

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Never knew there was so much about X-men I didn't know. Then again, I only watched the cartoon, and that was when I was young... They don't broadcast it here anymore, not right now..

And I definitely have to go see X-2 again!!! Great movie, and I'm sure I missed half of it!

[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Finn: <font color=white>I'm looking forward to watch the Incredible Hulk movie which will be out sometime soon(I hope). Apparently, from the trailer, I got the impression that it wasn't the Gamma Ray that turned Bruce into the Hulk, somehow, the "Hulk" persona/power was already innate in him and the gamma radiation incident served as some form of trigger/catalyst. Well, its still too early to speculate and most likely I'm reading things between the lines that aren't even there in the first place. </font color>

<font color=deepskyblue>Actually <font color=white>Finn</font>, you've hit the proverbial nail on the head. Bruce Banner has always "repressed" his anger and tried to keep his emotions under control. I think Stan Lee originally pictured him as a "geeky scientist" that always had to be in control. Any negative emotions (like anger) were "bottled up" and buried. Later - as the storyline evolved - we learned that Bruce Banner's had been physically abused by his father. When his father was angry, he turned into a "monster" - so Bruce never wanted to lose control like that.

Well, of course, you can't bottle your emotions up forever....or they will eventually explode! And that's what the gamma radiation did...it created the catalyst that broke throught the barriers Banner had put up to hold his anger in check. The Hulk is the living embodiement of all the anger Banner has kept inside all his life. That's why he only turns into the Hulk when he gets mad and why he returns to "normal" when he calms down. It is also one of the reasons that Hulk HATES his weaker "alter ego". "Puny Banner" refers to more than just the loss of Hulk's unlimited physical strength..it also refers to the loss of emotional strength. Bruce Banner lets people push him around...<font color=lime>NOBODY PUSHES THE HULK AROUND!</font>

From what I've read, the movie is going to explore this relationship between the alter-ego's very thoroughly and there was a hint that there is much more to Hulk's hatred of Banner than even the comic readers are aware of....I'm looking forward to that.</font>