A Debate on Homosexuality - Page 6

Aelia Jusa · 01-09-2002, 04:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neb:
Well, I've no problem with homosexuals, it's their choice entirely, if they want to be wed, no problem there either.

What I've got a problem with is when they want to have children, in my opinion they'll end up with a kinda strange view of the world since they'll have two mothers or two fathers, of course, so many who have had both a mother and a father end up like this as well, but that's just my point of view, feel free to ignore or flame it as you please.

Actually there have been studies done and there is no evidence to suggest that children with two same-sex parents are any less well adjusted than children with different-sex parents, or indeed single parents. There certainly isn't any more instance of children of same-sex parents being homosexual themselves, and like in a single parent household, there are other role models of the opposite sex that they can call on, relatives, parents' friends etc.

MILAMBER · 01-09-2002, 04:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Aelia Jusa:

Actually there have been studies done and there is no evidence to suggest that children with two same-sex parents are any less well adjusted than children with different-sex parents, or indeed single parents. There certainly isn't any more instance of children of same-sex parents being homosexual themselves, and like in a single parent household, there are other role models of the opposite sex that they can call on, relatives, parents' friends etc.

Really? I've heard differently. Do you have any sources? That would be some interesting info.

Aelia Jusa · 01-09-2002, 04:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MILAMBER:

Really? I've heard differently. Do you have any sources? That would be some interesting info.

I did... I don't know if I do anymore... I can look [img]smile.gif[/img]

WOLFGIR · 01-10-2002, 05:29 AM

OKI, will try to add alittle to this debeta. Since the question was stated with a biblicle notion, thats why we debate it, though alot of countries have freedom of speech and freedom of belief, as long as it doesn´t hurt anyone. This should IMHO be taken into consideration as well. We are not all religious, and not to the same course sometimes. Some forms of Budhism isn´t against homosexuality.. Neither does Shintoism. Some cultural forms of it does however, but not to the letter..

Another thing, this biological ones.. Is it natural to drive a car that will spread cancer and killing of genes? Is it natural to live so much indoors that we do making faunas of germs and bacterias grow in a not so good rate? Just sayng that everything is not bilogical in our lives, but we manage anyway.

We have theology, science and on the third hand, emotions and philosohphy. We tand always to use the ideas, theology or philosohphy that correspond to our own situation the most, (psychology ((damn, this can be deep

..)) and thus we will view things very different.
This doesn´t mean we follow them in everyday life, cause they sometimes make a hindrance even towards ourselves.

Personally, I think that if we are to spread our genes as a soul purpose to define life, I am not worthy to live, cause I haven´t split a gene of mine, yet that doesn´t bother me. If I don´t find a mate and get kids I will be waste product? And If I adopt a kid I will be a second degree person?
My answer, not likely in my view of the world, and that is the most important for me, I can still contribute to the world and if I want it´s up for grabs if I want to, and who could justly tell me I´m wrong? We don´t know everything and we can´t decide everything sometimes things happen anyway. Yes, we are egocentric, and we are differently developed than animals, some say higher, some say different, different choice of words, same meaning?

If we reason from scicnce we could pretty soon end up in what became the Nazi propaganda, if we only discuss biological, we would soon be mesmerized in state where we have to say, we don´t know everything yet, if we take it from philosohpy, we would think to much and not live. Thats why live and let live is the practical form for the actual living of all theories and ideas. We make due as we can, and does it really hurt you that people are different than you?

I think not, it´s all in your own mind.

Oki, to finish this dravel I have been writing, I will finish with something Memnoche use to tell us. Even though I don´t agree with you, I will defend your right to the death.. More or less, probably got the words wrong. But this is one way to put it, and it´s also practically used here, even though many of you might fin it against your own ideas, you can live with it.. So does it hurt you?? And also, I may not agree with you, but I respect your points of view!

And last (I promise I will stop writing after this hehe!) Life as it is defacto, is full of changes, pain, suffering and small pieces of joy. Do you want to hurt people or do you want to help people? How does your MIND react, and your heart when you are in love? What if anyone told you that since your gf/bf genes are bad, she/he is nearsighted, you go against nature since only the strongest in every animal group mate! Would you be pissed?? Would you find arguments that modern society doesn´t have to make people with perfect sight?
We bend the "truth" since no one can tell me the "truth" I have to find my own and live with it, I can however change "upgrade" it with experiences. Geesh I can´t shut up today, so much to take into consideration when you start.. Well I will SHUT up now and say this, don´t judge a man until you have walked a couple of miles in his shoes.

Avatar · 01-10-2002, 05:53 AM

It's good to see we can discuss this without flamming [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]
So it would seem that we are all MUCH more mature since months ago.

[img]graemlins/yippee.gif[/img]

Downunda · 01-10-2002, 06:13 AM

" has society gone far enough to recognising homosexuality? "

Recognising it? In what way? If what you meant to ask was "has society gone far enough to accepting homosexuality?" then my personal view is live and let live, I am sure this is also the view of the majority of society. However it is the few extremists (religous, racist, leftist, rightist etc...) that are the ones that make themselves heard, and because these types of people are the ones that get on the news and recieve all the publicity, their views seem to be the ones that count. Until scientists find a way to stop people having their own opinions there will unfortunately always be racism, gay bashings, religous wars and people being able to justify to themselves that flying planes into buildings is ok.
All that one person is able to do is to make sure that they never intentionally hurt anyone - physically or otherwise, and enjoy life.

I hope this hasn't gone too far off topic and that I havn't dribbled on too much (it is midnight over here, hehe)

Peace to all and have a great day

Istaron · 01-10-2002, 06:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Axil:

I've never seen a monkey build scyscrapes or atomic bombs have you?

[ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: Axil ]

You have no good memory, have you? I commented on you saying we are superior to animals emotionally.

Hiram Sedai · 01-10-2002, 07:38 AM

I would love to jump into this discussion but I am inherently homophobic so I can't add anything positive. Therefore, I will follow my mother's advice and not say anything at all. How can I type so much and say nothing at all? It's a gift. hehe

Avatar · 01-10-2002, 08:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Downunda:
" has society gone far enough to recognising homosexuality? "

Recognising it? In what way? If what you meant to ask was "has society gone far enough to accepting homosexuality?"

Accepting is a better word. thank you.

01-10-2002, 01:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Sazerac:

...as is homosexuality. Perhaps in a kinder, gentler sense. It has been documented by sociological researchers, anthropologists, and writers (Margaret Mead for one, Thomas Wolfe for another) that whenever population surges beyond what is normal for a specific area, there is a rise in the number of instances of homosexuality. Perhaps it's Nature herself trying to balance out an imbalance...who knows?

I don't think we need to be so quick to condemn, in any case.

Cheers,
-Sazerac

Oh I don't condemn homosexuals at all, I work with a few, have been friends with some and in general my philosophy is live and let live, I only get irritated when the subject comes around to special laws and protections, as a libertarian type person I feel we have quite enough..actually way too many laws as it stands, and that we should be getting rid of most of them...I mean for example, Make it against the law to commit murder....there..one law....instead of the several hundred we now have, make it against the law to discriminate one law...not one for each individual type of discrimination

I cannot conceive of treating a person differently because of their life styles...what counts most for me is how the person treats me...treat me with disrespect and thats what you gain in return, respect my beliefs and space and Ill do my darndest to respect yours.

01-09-2002, 04:47 PM	#51
Aelia Jusa Iron Throne Cult Join Date: August 23, 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 43 Posts: 4,867	quote: Originally posted by Neb: Well, I've no problem with homosexuals, it's their choice entirely, if they want to be wed, no problem there either. What I've got a problem with is when they want to have children, in my opinion they'll end up with a kinda strange view of the world since they'll have two mothers or two fathers, of course, so many who have had both a mother and a father end up like this as well, but that's just my point of view, feel free to ignore or flame it as you please. Actually there have been studies done and there is no evidence to suggest that children with two same-sex parents are any less well adjusted than children with different-sex parents, or indeed single parents. There certainly isn't any more instance of children of same-sex parents being homosexual themselves, and like in a single parent household, there are other role models of the opposite sex that they can call on, relatives, parents' friends etc. __________________

01-09-2002, 04:49 PM	#52
MILAMBER Lord Soth Join Date: March 5, 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,948	quote: Originally posted by Aelia Jusa: Actually there have been studies done and there is no evidence to suggest that children with two same-sex parents are any less well adjusted than children with different-sex parents, or indeed single parents. There certainly isn't any more instance of children of same-sex parents being homosexual themselves, and like in a single parent household, there are other role models of the opposite sex that they can call on, relatives, parents' friends etc. Really? I've heard differently. Do you have any sources? That would be some interesting info. __________________ \"The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.\"<br />-General George Patton (1885-1945)<br /> <br />Member of CLAN HADB<br />Founder of The Anti Clan Coalition

01-09-2002, 04:51 PM	#53
Aelia Jusa Iron Throne Cult Join Date: August 23, 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 43 Posts: 4,867	quote: Originally posted by MILAMBER: Really? I've heard differently. Do you have any sources? That would be some interesting info. I did... I don't know if I do anymore... I can look [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________

01-10-2002, 05:29 AM	#54
WOLFGIR Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 3,450	OKI, will try to add alittle to this debeta. Since the question was stated with a biblicle notion, thats why we debate it, though alot of countries have freedom of speech and freedom of belief, as long as it doesn´t hurt anyone. This should IMHO be taken into consideration as well. We are not all religious, and not to the same course sometimes. Some forms of Budhism isn´t against homosexuality.. Neither does Shintoism. Some cultural forms of it does however, but not to the letter.. Another thing, this biological ones.. Is it natural to drive a car that will spread cancer and killing of genes? Is it natural to live so much indoors that we do making faunas of germs and bacterias grow in a not so good rate? Just sayng that everything is not bilogical in our lives, but we manage anyway. We have theology, science and on the third hand, emotions and philosohphy. We tand always to use the ideas, theology or philosohphy that correspond to our own situation the most, (psychology ((damn, this can be deep ..)) and thus we will view things very different. This doesn´t mean we follow them in everyday life, cause they sometimes make a hindrance even towards ourselves. Personally, I think that if we are to spread our genes as a soul purpose to define life, I am not worthy to live, cause I haven´t split a gene of mine, yet that doesn´t bother me. If I don´t find a mate and get kids I will be waste product? And If I adopt a kid I will be a second degree person? My answer, not likely in my view of the world, and that is the most important for me, I can still contribute to the world and if I want it´s up for grabs if I want to, and who could justly tell me I´m wrong? We don´t know everything and we can´t decide everything sometimes things happen anyway. Yes, we are egocentric, and we are differently developed than animals, some say higher, some say different, different choice of words, same meaning? If we reason from scicnce we could pretty soon end up in what became the Nazi propaganda, if we only discuss biological, we would soon be mesmerized in state where we have to say, we don´t know everything yet, if we take it from philosohpy, we would think to much and not live. Thats why live and let live is the practical form for the actual living of all theories and ideas. We make due as we can, and does it really hurt you that people are different than you? I think not, it´s all in your own mind. Oki, to finish this dravel I have been writing, I will finish with something Memnoche use to tell us. Even though I don´t agree with you, I will defend your right to the death.. More or less, probably got the words wrong. But this is one way to put it, and it´s also practically used here, even though many of you might fin it against your own ideas, you can live with it.. So does it hurt you?? And also, I may not agree with you, but I respect your points of view! And last (I promise I will stop writing after this hehe!) Life as it is defacto, is full of changes, pain, suffering and small pieces of joy. Do you want to hurt people or do you want to help people? How does your MIND react, and your heart when you are in love? What if anyone told you that since your gf/bf genes are bad, she/he is nearsighted, you go against nature since only the strongest in every animal group mate! Would you be pissed?? Would you find arguments that modern society doesn´t have to make people with perfect sight? We bend the "truth" since no one can tell me the "truth" I have to find my own and live with it, I can however change "upgrade" it with experiences. Geesh I can´t shut up today, so much to take into consideration when you start.. Well I will SHUT up now and say this, don´t judge a man until you have walked a couple of miles in his shoes. __________________ Don´t eat the yellow snow

01-10-2002, 05:53 AM	#55
Avatar Vampire Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: Cambridge Age: 41 Posts: 3,877	It's good to see we can discuss this without flamming [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] So it would seem that we are all MUCH more mature since months ago. [img]graemlins/yippee.gif[/img] __________________ <b>Ê†ë®Ñï†Ý \'s Avariel<br /></b><br />Creator and Mithril Protector of the ALSB Clan <br /> [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/avatar.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-10-2002, 06:13 AM	#56
Downunda Set - Egyptian God of Chaos Join Date: January 7, 2002 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Age: 45 Posts: 2,975	" has society gone far enough to recognising homosexuality? " Recognising it? In what way? If what you meant to ask was "has society gone far enough to accepting homosexuality?" then my personal view is live and let live, I am sure this is also the view of the majority of society. However it is the few extremists (religous, racist, leftist, rightist etc...) that are the ones that make themselves heard, and because these types of people are the ones that get on the news and recieve all the publicity, their views seem to be the ones that count. Until scientists find a way to stop people having their own opinions there will unfortunately always be racism, gay bashings, religous wars and people being able to justify to themselves that flying planes into buildings is ok. All that one person is able to do is to make sure that they never intentionally hurt anyone - physically or otherwise, and enjoy life. I hope this hasn't gone too far off topic and that I havn't dribbled on too much (it is midnight over here, hehe) Peace to all and have a great day __________________ \"Doing stuff is overrated, like Hitler, he did lots of stuff, but doesn\'t everybody wish he\'d just stayed at home and smoked pot?!?\"

01-10-2002, 06:36 AM	#57
Istaron Banned User Join Date: June 16, 2001 Location: Uppland Posts: 711	quote: Originally posted by Axil: I've never seen a monkey build scyscrapes or atomic bombs have you? [ 01-09-2002: Message edited by: Axil ] You have no good memory, have you? I commented on you saying we are superior to animals emotionally.

01-10-2002, 07:38 AM	#58
Hiram Sedai Emerald Dragon Join Date: October 8, 2001 Location: Georgia Age: 55 Posts: 918	I would love to jump into this discussion but I am inherently homophobic so I can't add anything positive. Therefore, I will follow my mother's advice and not say anything at all. How can I type so much and say nothing at all? It's a gift. hehe __________________ [url]\"http://www.xsorbit3.com/users/HADB/index.cgi?board=general&action=logout\" target=\"_blank\">HADB Messageboard Board</a><br /><br />Hopelessly Pedantic

01-10-2002, 08:50 AM	#59
Avatar Vampire Join Date: April 28, 2001 Location: Cambridge Age: 41 Posts: 3,877	quote: Originally posted by Downunda: " has society gone far enough to recognising homosexuality? " Recognising it? In what way? If what you meant to ask was "has society gone far enough to accepting homosexuality?" Accepting is a better word. thank you. __________________ <b>Ê†ë®Ñï†Ý \'s Avariel<br /></b><br />Creator and Mithril Protector of the ALSB Clan <br /> [img]\"http://www.wizardrealm.com/images/avatar.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

01-10-2002, 01:29 PM	#60
MagiK Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Sazerac: ...as is homosexuality. Perhaps in a kinder, gentler sense. It has been documented by sociological researchers, anthropologists, and writers (Margaret Mead for one, Thomas Wolfe for another) that whenever population surges beyond what is normal for a specific area, there is a rise in the number of instances of homosexuality. Perhaps it's Nature herself trying to balance out an imbalance...who knows? I don't think we need to be so quick to condemn, in any case. Cheers, -Sazerac Oh I don't condemn homosexuals at all, I work with a few, have been friends with some and in general my philosophy is live and let live, I only get irritated when the subject comes around to special laws and protections, as a libertarian type person I feel we have quite enough..actually way too many laws as it stands, and that we should be getting rid of most of them...I mean for example, Make it against the law to commit murder....there..one law....instead of the several hundred we now have, make it against the law to discriminate one law...not one for each individual type of discrimination I cannot conceive of treating a person differently because of their life styles...what counts most for me is how the person treats me...treat me with disrespect and thats what you gain in return, respect my beliefs and space and Ill do my darndest to respect yours.

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