09-26-2001, 04:35 AM | #51 |
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Hehe! I know I shouldn´t have brought that comparison! It´s a fragile one and you showed that right away Fljotsadle!
Well the point is that outwards most (oki another try ) families have a united surface, even though there might be turmoils within. I know alot of israels, and Palestinians that doesn´t like what their countries are doing. Unfortunatley, they are so stuck in the system to be listened too.. OKI, the family matters mostly are based on my views on how it should be, and well once again, we always refer to our on reflections and preferences.. No matter how hard we try to keep them out! Good post as well Fljotsdale, as usual from you! You and Yorrick do bug my mind hehe! I like that! ------------------ Be vevvy qwiet..I´m hunting wabbits... Wolfgirs lair once-upon-a-paper |
09-26-2001, 10:34 AM | #52 | |
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Mate, I was never talking about inner peace. Whenever I talk about inner peace I will quantify it with "inner" in front of "peace", as I suggest you do. The situation I was talking about cannot be both peaceful and violent. That is a contradiction. Light and darkness cannot exist in the same space. Light destroys darkness, and darkness' existence is an absence of light. Peace is the absence of conflict. Two forces existing in harmony. An individual can be at war with themself. Hence we have an awareness of inner peace - cessation of internal conflict. Like light destroying darkness, so conflict destroys peace. Thus, as per my original statement, we need two parties co-operation to create peace. Regardless of whether one, or both are possessors of inner peace. ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! [This message has been edited by Yorick (edited 09-26-2001).] |
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09-26-2001, 10:43 AM | #53 | |
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Your argument is more prvalent than you perhaps realise. I apologise if my post was overly aggressive and if my Nazi analogy was offensive to you. It was my intent to create a realisation that that kind of thinking does not promote a workable solution to the eternal "problem" of the Jewish nation. Have a good day Silver ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! |
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09-26-2001, 10:50 AM | #54 | |
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The sentiment of "my country, right or wrong" is responsible for untold amounts of injustice and evil in the world. Better to correct your country (or child) if it is in the wrong, rather than assist it in being so. |
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09-26-2001, 10:54 AM | #55 | |
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Well the question was like this.. Will you let your neighbour teach your kid? Or will you let your neighbour more or less slap your kid around for him being wrong? But ok, it was a bad one, so I will let it drop with this. I hope you do understand what I tried to say at least.. ------------------ Be vevvy qwiet..I´m hunting wabbits... Wolfgirs lair once-upon-a-paper |
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09-26-2001, 10:57 AM | #56 | |
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Denying the role of the Israelis, or denying that the creation of Israel itself in 1948 is the source of the problem, is exactly what we are doing now, politically speaking. That denial hasn't exactly created a resolution of the problem, now has it? In order for any workable solution to come about, the past has to be faced openly and honestly, not denied and lost under blind faith of divine right and total innocence. |
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09-26-2001, 10:59 AM | #57 | |
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Also who is the "child" and who is the "parent" in this scenario? We're not seriously entertaining the imperialist notion that America or Britain are in a position to discipline their "child" Israel are we? It is a nations right to defend themselves against attack if the existence of the said country is threatened. America are doing so now, though the nation is nowhere near as fragile, nor surrounded, as Israel. Britain have done so in the past. Both have engaged in wars of conquest, expansion and colonialisation. I hardly think the citizens of the British Empire, nor the American Empire are in a postion to criticise Israel.... ------------------ I am the walrus!.... er, no hang on.... A fair dinkum laughing Hyena! |
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In any case, if the position that we are to take is that because each of us as individuals, or as countries, have done wrong in the past, that we can never work to prevent wrong in the present or future, then mankind is doomed. |
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09-26-2001, 11:10 AM | #59 | |
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Yorick, think about what you are saying. Are we to go back 1,500 years ago and rearrange the world's people's the way they were then? Are we to hold grudges for 1,500 years? Why in the world do we see the absurdity of that position for every people on earth, EXCEPT for the Israelis? Is it religious? |
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