Massive Riots in France

[johnny]

Arrest them. Try them. Lock them up. I know its difficult, but killing them (as so many have suggested) makes them martyrs to their cause. Deal with them in a fair way that doesn't create more tension, you're trying to calm the situation, not fan the flames. We all know how well the eye for a eye philosophy works down in Israel. Or...

They are making hundreds of arrests every single night, by now there must be more than a thousand rioters behind bars. And instead of calming down, the situation gets out of hand more and more. I bet France doesn't have enough prisoncells to keep em all in check.

...seems a very fair suggestion. However, it wouldn't work for those who's country of origin is france. Many of these people are the children or grandchildren of immigrants, you can't send them to a country their family hasn't lived in for a generation, nor would that country accept france dumping their criminals on them.

Like i said, they all have double nationalities, which means that their country of origin cannot refuse to take them in. If France wants to eject a few hundred Algerians, who all have both French and Algerian passports, they can simply send them back to Algeria, even when they are born in France. It's simple, if you don't behave to normal French standards, you don't deserve to live in France, and you have to go. I don't see anything wrong in reasoning like that.

[ 11-06-2005, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: johnny ]

[johnny]

It's going to affect the entire economy if they don't act now. Killing people should be the last straw, but using rubber bullets would be a good start. They'll live, but they'll be in a lot of pain for weeks to come. They simply can't let this go on any further, the French government is making a mockery of themselves if they let these riots continue.

[Sir Degrader]

Originally posted by Melcheor: quote: Originally posted by johnny: [qb]Then tell me, how would you reason with a horde of people who are torching everything in their path ? Tap em on the shoulder and ask them nicely if they would pretty please stop their assaults ?

Arrest them. Try them. Lock them up. /QB][/QUOTE]And what, have this type of militant disaffection run through the jails, infecting all it comes into contact with? No, this problem has gone on long enough. Excise the cancer and the body will be whole. Then again, this is very easy to say, sitting at a computer desk a few thousand miles away.

[ 11-06-2005, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Sir Degrader ]

[johnny]

And what, have this type of islam run through the jails, infecting all it comes into contact with?

Erm...don't you think you've seen one Hollywood movie too many ?

[Sir Degrader]

No, just reading about the spread of Militant Islam in US jails has made me a bit nervous about sending large numbers of one particular group to jails.

[Stratos]

But then, at least, we know where we have them.

[Sir Degrader]

Until they get released, and live their lives as perfect neighbors until something like what's happening in France happens.

[Stratos]

Eh? The rioters in France are from the slums. They're marginalized people and not the "perfect neighbours"-type.

[johnny]

Originally posted by Sir Degrader: No, just reading about the spread of Militant Islam in US jails has made me a bit nervous about sending large numbers of one particular group to jails.

Those are not militant Islamists, that's the Nation of Islam, a gathering of former pimps, pushers, and gangbangers, who all turn to Islam because they don't have anything better to do anyway. It gives them a feeling of belonging to a family again, just like they had in da hood.

They also have a considerable lack of working braincells.

[Melcheor]

Originally posted by johnny: Like i said, they all have double nationalities, which means that their country of origin cannot refuse to take them in. If France wants to eject a few hundred Algerians, who all have both French and Algerian passports, they can simply send them back to Algeria, even when they are born in France. It's simple, if you don't behave to normal French standards, you don't deserve to live in France, and you have to go. I don't see anything wrong in reasoning like that.

But do they have two passports? Just because you were born in a country different to that of your parents doesn't mean you are automatically granted dual nationality. The deal is slightly different for each country. I have a british mum and an american dad. I was born in Britain so that's the passport I automatically got. I would have had to go hrough a long and arduous process in order to get dual nationality. We're talking about having to hire solicitors to decipher the forms the american embasy sent me, and flying my dad over from the states as it was a requiremnt that both parents be present. In the end we didn't have the money, and since dual nationality must be claimed by the time you are 18, I will never now have citizenship in the countries I am entitled too. There were legal problems too, such as in wartime someone with dual nationality could technically be called up by both countries and then imprisoned by whoever they did not fight for. Needless to say, in the current climate with america's foreign policy I was not thrilled at this prospect.

Anyway, I'm not sure a lot of these rioters will have anything other than a french passport. The police over here sure as hell couldn't send me 'back' to america if I'd been causing them some trouble.