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Government may not be Jesus, but the big man isn't feeding many thousands these days. Governments are the only ones with the resources to make a difference. Bush was voted in by the religious right, maybe he should follow the footsteps and try some miracles of his own. Quote:
Estimates suggest the total cost of the iraq war will end up somewhere between $150 and $250 billion, just for the US. The G8, by comparison, *managed* to agree to $50 billion dollars in aid. Your country does have its priorities wrong and so does mine. This is what the adverts highlited. Sometimes I feel that africa would be in far better shape if the empires had never collapsed. They took with them all the skills and people required to run a country, just leaving the more impressive buildings that governments promises are based on. Thank you Roosevelt... Thats just my view though, its far from universal. Que sig. [ 09-21-2005, 04:12 PM: Message edited by: Melcheor ] |
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"I don't know anything about Afghanistan, but I know it's full of terrorists, speaking as a mother." - Rosie O'Donnel "Speaking as a mother" = "Talking out of my..." |
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As starange as it seems, democracy is not always the answer. People on the whole are stupid and easily intimidated. Just look at the mess Afghanistan is still in, pollitically speaking. A cynical view would be that Afghanistan was just a kneejerk reaction to 9/11 and Iraq had oil. Both invasions succeded, and both regieme changes are failing. Democracy and a long-oppressed, uneducated population is a recepie for disaster. Time and education are needed before democracy will work, and even then it has its problems. It is not Americas job to crusade across the world forcing countries into an arguably flawed system which the population is not ready for. This is neo-conservatism, and the crusade for good is more for the benefit of american society than the people being "liberated". Educating populations is the only solution, but this takes generations, as with our democracies. It is not Americas job to do this either, and even if it was, it is nigh on impossible to do with a corrupt regieme that doesn't want this. It would require invasion, which turns a population against you and your ideas. Catch 22 people! Cant succesfully change a regime without education. Can't educate without a succesful regieme change. Another view is that Iraq was a muscle flex. America showing the world it will act on its threats. This too has failed. Two words, North Korea. I have no solutions, I just thought I'd go wildly off topic to show that if problems were as simple as forums and media make out, they'd have been solved already. You can't beat catch 22... All this pontificating has made me thirsty. I'm gonna go have a beer. |
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Besides why feel guilty? Like most people, I've certainly never done anything to help make people poor, or sick, or hungry. If anything I feel the opposite of guilt(compassion) in response to wide-spread situations like malnutrition, babies born with aids, and sick people with no medicine or care, ect.
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Still, guilt can be a powerful force for good. I don't think the opposite of guilt is compassion, the opposite to feeling guilty about a situation is to not feel guilty. Compassion is more to do with empathy and I think both can, and should, play their part. The adverts play on both compassion and guilt, if you ask me. Maybe more the latter, but highlighting the problems will still create empathy. Stick and carrot. Well, 2x4 and baby carrot.
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I never said "democracy", but that would be an improvement over what many of them have now. The 1990s showed that it is possible to field an army of mercenaries capable of defeating a country's armed forces and that it could be done rather cost-effectively. That also lets you keep your hands clean. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img]
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The key here is WILL where there is will, there is a way. However, I have seen with my own two eyes, many ways, but not a single will! If you want to cry foul, go forth an experience life to it's fullest, then come back full circle and we shall quantify your findings! [/QUOTE] ![]() ...And as we all know, anecdotal evidence automatically beats common logic and actual factual knowledge - and allows you to say whatever the hell you want to say to drive home a certain point, in whatever way you want to say it; even at the expense of sounding like a jerk in the process. So those millions upon millions of people in, say, Ethiopia or India dying of hunger are just lazy? Ever heard of overpopulation, ruined harvests, natural disasters, wars, or even simply climate and weather conditions playing a role in possible cases of hunger? As for Aids, people getting raped in South Africa are just asking for it? Careless, unhygienic blood transfusions spreading aids is the patient's fault? Hey, and did you know Aids could get carried over to newborn babies as well, in 15 to 30% of all cases, with the risk getting higher when breastfeeding? Those babies had it coming as well, right? And yes, nice newsflash there that people in poverty and desperation could do horrible, horrible things. The New Orleans disaster fallout in itself demonstrates that clearly, but I was aware of that beforehand as well. Just that I didn't see it with my own eyes doesn't automatically invalidate anything I have to say by default, however. I'm sure you've seen some awful things, and without a doubt in those anecdotal cases those people had it coming just like you said, but anecdotal evidence should never cloud your judgment in the face of other known and more prevalent causes for aforementioned tragedies. For someone as experienced in life as you are, reading a newspaper every once and awhile shouldn't be that much of a problem, right? [/QUOTE]Hmm, very interesting. Penny ante words and nickel phrases to quantify one's thesis. This path must then lead to a scholar with no real world application. Study through the written word has no dimension to it. There is no meaning, no touch, smell, grasp, only a one sided replay of a one sided writing. How horrid! The inability to grasp, combined with educational potential, could lead to the probability of exceeding one's capabilities, for that has been experienced as well. But to lay out excuses on how and why people can or cannot become something, is a true lack of real experience, something that can never be taught or learned from a school house! Having seen some awful things? That only dependes upon the beholder. I may have witnessed events that would make others cry, but I felt unique. Then again, things that would allow me to feel sorrow, may allow others to feel strong. It all depends upon the person. I'm a hunter, of a hunter, to a hunter. The hunted I study can not be replicated in a text book, nor in a PC software package. Thou the hunted has a sharp and willful mind, it can become predicatable. And that can only come from first hand experience, and being the hunted prior to the hunter! People, not a custom, not a country, not a population, society, or ethnical background, but human reactions are what drive people to do things that they do, or the lack there of. Link- I fully understand! It made me sick as well. I had 9 guys on the ground, seperating 3 Muslims, and 5 Christians, and some LBD decided this was the time and place to try out his new AK! Then it was another fist fight to get the two groups seperated again. People! Have you ever conducted a Humanatarian relief mission in Africa? It ain't all that civil or humane! People! Illumina- Been there done that twice, once with family, once with a soldier. Neither was a nice event, and both turned out to be placed into an 'area of self preservation'. Good luck, and may patience shines it's slow glimmer upon thee.
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I think the message the ad is sending is important, and those issues do tend to get ignored.
The method of delivery certainly could have been better though. As for the people helping themselves issue, Felix you of all people should know that some don't have the luxury of choices in life, they are victoms of their environment. ![]()
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