Anyone else noticed these similarities....? - Page 5

Neb · 11-11-2001, 03:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Silver Cheetah:

I think you've been taking lessons from Absynthe, you bad kitten! Anything *within reason*... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

"Within reason"? Damnit..... *Pulls out long list and deletes the top 100 things on it.* Hmmmm..... Let me see now, what's number 101, hmmmm..... "A lifetime supply of hugs and kisses"?

Silver Cheetah · 11-11-2001, 03:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neb:

"Within reason"? Damnit..... *Pulls out long list and deletes the top 100 things on it.* Hmmmm..... Let me see now, what's number 101, hmmmm..... "A lifetime supply of hugs and kisses"?

Well, guess I best make a start... :Cheetah give Neb *lots* of hugs and kisses, enough to last him til she gets back at the end of next week:

Barry the Sprout · 11-11-2001, 05:38 PM

Silver Cheetah and Neb, the phrase "get a room" springs to mind...

Moni, what you say about Hitler taking Nazism and making it strong in Germany is not entirely true IMO. Historians still disagree about his level of involvement but I personally think it is a little bit too easy for us to point the finger and say "evil!". There was a deeper problem there that was already established by the time Hitler had come onto the scene. Germany had no self esteem because Britain wouldn't let it back onto the world stage. France and Belgium had invaded to get reparations. A series of uncharismatic presidents had taken away what little hope people had had for democracy and then came a depression...

If we pin it all down to one person then we run the risk of ignoring the wider causes. Society has a tendancy to find a scapegoat for its problems. What is most scary for me is that Hitler was a gifted product of his time. Nazism could happen again given the same circumstances. Another example might be McVeigh. The idea that the American racist right is going to be destroyed by his execution is laughable. Scapegoats are dangerous things for society as they hide the real problem more often than not.

Fljotsdale · 11-11-2001, 06:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:
Silver Cheetah and Neb, the phrase "get a room" springs to mind...

Ignoring the main debate....

Barry the Sprout? The Silver Cheetah can't help flirting wherever she is..... after all - she IS a feline!

Neb · 11-11-2001, 06:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fljotsdale:

Ignoring the main debate....

Barry the Sprout? The Silver Cheetah can't help flirting wherever she is..... after all - she IS a feline!

And who's been teacher her such things? It wouldn't happen to be her mother would it?

Silver Cheetah · 11-11-2001, 06:58 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neb:

And who's been teacher her such things? It wouldn't happen to be her mother would it?

Och, my mother has no morals whatsoever. That's cos she's a cat, too....

Should I should explain to Barry about the Hugging and Smooching Club? Perhaps this isn't the place for it... Good job this was my thread, LOL, it seems to have gone off topic, rather..... [img]smile.gif[/img] My fault, I fear..........

Fljotsdale · 11-11-2001, 07:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Neb:

And who's been teacher her such things? It wouldn't happen to be her mother would it?

Ye gods! NO! Flirtation is an art I never learned. Think she got it from her own unique combination of genes, lol!

Yorick · 11-11-2001, 08:13 PM

Barry, those are all very good points.

I think the situation has a "chicken and the egg" ring to it.

Nazism allowed Hitler to flourish, and Hilter allowed Nazism to flourish. For the same eventuations to have occured a similarly charismatic person would have had to be found, complete with the circumstancial hatred for the Jews and intimidating persona he possessed. It is something we can ever speculate on without resolve.

At the moment, we have a man funding and training suicidal terrorists. Remove him, and funding is hampered - though perhaps not stopped - the training chain CIA-Bin Laden-Al Qa'eda, is broken, and a public polarising figurehead is shattered.

Look at the result of the zero tolerance to terrorism, and the pursuit of Bin Laden.

No suicide bombings in Israel since 9/11.

It may not be a perfect scenario or a flawless solution, but it is a good step in the right direction.

11-11-2001, 08:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Barry the Sprout:

If we pin it all down to one person then we run the risk of ignoring the wider causes. Society has a tendancy to find a scapegoat for its problems. What is most scary for me is that Hitler was a gifted product of his time. Nazism could happen again given the same circumstances. Another example might be McVeigh. The idea that the American racist right is going to be destroyed by his execution is laughable. Scapegoats are dangerous things for society as they hide the real problem more often than not.

Hitler was, by far not alone in his attempts at world domination, but he was a leader, an incitor of violence against other humans (his radio broadcasts into Austria, for example, helped to elevate the moral of Austrian Nazis...).
We all know there are more McVeighs out there and not just in our country, but in other countries as well.
No one is pointing a finger at Bin Laden and crying scapegoat. He is a leader, an incitor of violence and murder in the name of religion. Taken down (or even out) his followers will do one of two things, cry for further war because their prophet has been slain (or imprisoned) or they'll drop out of sight for a time because they haven't the funds to carry out his plans for the destruction of the western world.
It'd be really naive of anyone to think that by taking him out of the picture that violence by terrorists would come to a halt, but IMO taking Bin Laden out (or down) is the best place to start.

Yorick · 11-11-2001, 08:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by skywalker:

And if it wasn't?

I can see it as a joke and as not. If it's her opinion...what's the big deal?

Well apparently it is a big deal to DM of FAoIW.

Mark, get off his case. Leo is as entitled to his reactive opinion as the person posting. You can't post a strong opinion and not expect a counter opinion. Seems your calls for respect are only for those you agree with mate.

Debate his point, not the fact that should or shouldn't think what he does.

Cheers. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: Yorick ]

11-11-2001, 03:35 PM	#41
Neb Account deleted by Request Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: . Age: 39 Posts: 8,802	quote: Originally posted by Silver Cheetah: *I think you've been taking lessons from Absynthe, you bad kitten! Anything within reason... [img]tongue.gif[/img]* "Within reason"? Damnit..... Pulls out long list and deletes the top 100 things on it. Hmmmm..... Let me see now, what's number 101, hmmmm..... "A lifetime supply of hugs and kisses"?

11-11-2001, 03:40 PM	#42
Silver Cheetah Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 1,781	quote: Originally posted by Neb: *"Within reason"? Damnit..... Pulls out long list and deletes the top 100 things on it.* Hmmmm..... Let me see now, what's number 101, hmmmm..... "A lifetime supply of hugs and kisses"?** Well, guess I best make a start... :Cheetah give Neb lots of hugs and kisses, enough to last him til she gets back at the end of next week: __________________

11-11-2001, 06:11 PM	#44
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	quote: Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: Silver Cheetah and Neb, the phrase "get a room" springs to mind... Ignoring the main debate.... Barry the Sprout? The Silver Cheetah can't help flirting wherever she is..... after all - she IS a feline! __________________ I\'m your imaginary friend.

11-11-2001, 06:31 PM	#45
Neb Account deleted by Request Join Date: May 17, 2001 Location: . Age: 39 Posts: 8,802	quote: Originally posted by Fljotsdale: Ignoring the main debate.... Barry the Sprout? The Silver Cheetah can't help flirting wherever she is..... after all - she IS a feline! And who's been teacher her such things? It wouldn't happen to be her mother would it?

11-11-2001, 06:58 PM	#46
Silver Cheetah Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 1,781	quote: Originally posted by Neb: And who's been teacher her such things? It wouldn't happen to be her mother would it? Och, my mother has no morals whatsoever. That's cos she's a cat, too.... Should I should explain to Barry about the Hugging and Smooching Club? Perhaps this isn't the place for it... Good job this was my thread, LOL, it seems to have gone off topic, rather..... [img]smile.gif[/img] My fault, I fear.......... __________________

11-11-2001, 05:38 PM	#43
Barry the Sprout White Dragon Join Date: October 19, 2001 Location: York, UK. Age: 42 Posts: 1,815	Silver Cheetah and Neb, the phrase "get a room" springs to mind... Moni, what you say about Hitler taking Nazism and making it strong in Germany is not entirely true IMO. Historians still disagree about his level of involvement but I personally think it is a little bit too easy for us to point the finger and say "evil!". There was a deeper problem there that was already established by the time Hitler had come onto the scene. Germany had no self esteem because Britain wouldn't let it back onto the world stage. France and Belgium had invaded to get reparations. A series of uncharismatic presidents had taken away what little hope people had had for democracy and then came a depression... If we pin it all down to one person then we run the risk of ignoring the wider causes. Society has a tendancy to find a scapegoat for its problems. What is most scary for me is that Hitler was a gifted product of his time. Nazism could happen again given the same circumstances. Another example might be McVeigh. The idea that the American racist right is going to be destroyed by his execution is laughable. Scapegoats are dangerous things for society as they hide the real problem more often than not.

11-11-2001, 07:16 PM	#47
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	quote: Originally posted by Neb: And who's been teacher her such things? It wouldn't happen to be her mother would it? Ye gods! NO! Flirtation is an art I never learned. Think she got it from her own unique combination of genes, lol! __________________ I\'m your imaginary friend.

11-11-2001, 08:13 PM	#48
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	Barry, those are all very good points. I think the situation has a "chicken and the egg" ring to it. Nazism allowed Hitler to flourish, and Hilter allowed Nazism to flourish. For the same eventuations to have occured a similarly charismatic person would have had to be found, complete with the circumstancial hatred for the Jews and intimidating persona he possessed. It is something we can ever speculate on without resolve. At the moment, we have a man funding and training suicidal terrorists. Remove him, and funding is hampered - though perhaps not stopped - the training chain CIA-Bin Laden-Al Qa'eda, is broken, and a public polarising figurehead is shattered. Look at the result of the zero tolerance to terrorism, and the pursuit of Bin Laden. No suicide bombings in Israel since 9/11. It may not be a perfect scenario or a flawless solution, but it is a good step in the right direction. __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

11-11-2001, 08:15 PM	#49
Moni Guest Posts: n/a	quote: Originally posted by Barry the Sprout: If we pin it all down to one person then we run the risk of ignoring the wider causes. Society has a tendancy to find a scapegoat for its problems. What is most scary for me is that Hitler was a gifted product of his time. Nazism could happen again given the same circumstances. Another example might be McVeigh. The idea that the American racist right is going to be destroyed by his execution is laughable. Scapegoats are dangerous things for society as they hide the real problem more often than not. Hitler was, by far not alone in his attempts at world domination, but he was a leader, an incitor of violence against other humans (his radio broadcasts into Austria, for example, helped to elevate the moral of Austrian Nazis...). We all know there are more McVeighs out there and not just in our country, but in other countries as well. No one is pointing a finger at Bin Laden and crying scapegoat. He is a leader, an incitor of violence and murder in the name of religion. Taken down (or even out) his followers will do one of two things, cry for further war because their prophet has been slain (or imprisoned) or they'll drop out of sight for a time because they haven't the funds to carry out his plans for the destruction of the western world. It'd be really naive of anyone to think that by taking him out of the picture that violence by terrorists would come to a halt, but IMO taking Bin Laden out (or down) is the best place to start.

11-11-2001, 08:17 PM	#50
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	quote: Originally posted by skywalker: And if it wasn't? I can see it as a joke and as not. If it's her opinion...what's the big deal? Well apparently it is a big deal to DM of FAoIW. Mark, get off his case. Leo is as entitled to his reactive opinion as the person posting. You can't post a strong opinion and not expect a counter opinion. Seems your calls for respect are only for those you agree with mate. Debate his point, not the fact that should or shouldn't think what he does. Cheers. [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 11-11-2001: Message edited by: Yorick ] __________________ http://www.hughwilson.com

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