Mock-tater Al-Satyr

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: John D, you get 2 and a minimum sentence of 3 [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img] for bringing animal rights into a debate that has nothing to do with animal rights. Now, someone else will come along and string you up for the sneakers & CD players comment. I was trying to come up with a conversion factor between US lives and lives of other countries, but kept getting an imaginary number.

Now T.L. I don't even deserve 1 [img]graemlins/whackya.gif[/img] I merely brought up additional business expenses that would be incured with the use of neutrons or old fashion Nukes. I'm just trying to stay ahead of the curve on the unintended consiquences of a hostile take over.

[Timber Loftis]

I have thought back on the question of whether or not I consider Iraqis to be beneath Americans.

My real problem is not based on nationality so much as it's based on a type of religion. I believe that fundamentalists of any religion are lesser humans than the rest of us. I believe they are beneath me. They are a danger to us all, and at the end of the day I think they should be converted, subjigated, quelled, or killed. Sounds a bit like in Inquisition huh? Oh well, at least we don't have trial by ordeal any more.

I posted using "Iraqi" as a surrogate for where my real hate lay.

Just to chime back in and finally answer a question that was posed to me.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: My real problem is not based on nationality so much as it's based on a type of religion. I believe that fundamentalists of any religion are lesser humans than the rest of us. I believe they are beneath me. They are a danger to us all, and at the end of the day I think they should be converted, subjigated, quelled, or killed. Sounds a bit like in Inquisition huh? Oh well, at least we don't have trial by ordeal any more.

Well T.L. since you will be coming after me for my faith and beliefs may I say ahead of time thank you, it will be a small price to pay, one I pray will be done joyfully. I don't mind being set apart, or even call percular(sp?)

[Timber Loftis]

John, Yorick questioned by definition of fundamentalism on the 16-yr old execution thread, and I have attempted to clarify it there. It's a difficult concept to wrap one's brain around, but I'd ask you to take a look at the cultural/religious characteristics I'm referring to before thinking I'm calling you out.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: John, Yorick questioned by definition of fundamentalism on the 16-yr old execution thread, and I have attempted to clarify it there. It's a difficult concept to wrap one's brain around, but I'd ask you to take a look at the cultural/religious characteristics I'm referring to before thinking I'm calling you out.

Read it no problem with it, being called it, or being called out on it. I beleive nearly 2,000 years ago it was said such would happen, why should I have a problem when it does.

[Timber Loftis]

So, you are saying your religion meets all of those listed? I mean, let's to get all Revelations yet. Oh, and I think you'll find Revalations was written several hundred years after Christ's death.

Oooops, does that go against fundamentalism? [img]graemlins/heee.gif[/img]

[Timber Loftis]

John D, here are the characteristics I'm referring to:

Characteristics shared in Fundamentalist religions: > These family resemblances include: > -religious idealism as basis for personal and communal identity; -fundamentalists understand truth to be revealed and unified; -it is intentionally scandalous, (similar to Lawrence's point about language -- outsiders cannot understand it); -fundamentalists envision themselves as part of a cosmic struggle; -they seize on historical moments and reinterpret them in light of this cosmic struggle; -they demonize their opposition and are reactionary; -fundamentalists are selective in what parts of their tradition and heritage they stress; -they are led by males; -they envy modernist cultural hegemony and try to overturn the distribution of power. > The Five ideological characteristics are: > -fundamentalists are concerned "first" with the erosion of religion and its proper role in society; -fundamentalism is selective of their tradition and what part of modernity they accept or choose to react against; they embrace some form of Manicheanism (dualism); -fundamentalists stress absolutism and inerrancy in their sources of revelation; and -they opt for some form of Millennialism or Messianism. > The organizational characteristics include: > -an elect or chosen membership; -sharp group boundaries; -charismatic authoritarian leaders; and -mandated behavioral requirements.

Does your religion meet these? Really? I mean, just because it says "fundamentalist" on the door doesn't mean it fits the definition of what I mean by "fundamentalist."

I know everybody wants to be a martyr, but let's not go there until we establish that I am truly waving the sign of the beast at you.

[ 08-24-2004, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: John D, here are the characteristics I'm referring to: Does your religion meet these? Really? I mean, just because it says "fundamentalist" on the door doesn't mean it fits the definition of what I mean by "fundamentalist." I know everybody wants to be a martyr, but let's not go there until we establish that I am truly waving the sign of the beast at you.

For the most part yeah. As for what is says on the door, well that has already been denounced at least once here on the board, by a fellow believer no less. I have no desire to be a martyr, I'm not looking to be one, but neither will I walk away from any position I believe to be correct that might make me one. I am what I am. If you wave the sign of the beast at me so be it, I'll not hold it against you, not my job that's reserved for a higher power and I'll accept that higher power's decesion, no matter what my personal feelings are, at least that is my hope, but hey I'm as human as anybody else.

I'm not talking about Rev. I'm refering to the other end of the new test. the begining 4 books. The revile, look down, and degrade for My Name's sake part.

[Timber Loftis]

Well, I'm sorry if I've denounced you in some way. I am currently trying to define for myself what it is that pisses me off so much about Islamic Fundamentalism, and I am researching fundamentalism because I think the problems are not Islamic in nature. Therefore, I am researching fundamentalism hoping to find the source of my problems with my nation's current nemisis. Because I like to think that general rules govern human behavior, I am assuming that the problem is not specific to Islamic Fundamentalism but rather derives from either Islam or Fundamentalism.

Additionally, this is a topic I approached from the social studies point of view, and it is quickly turning into a religious discussion. I had not intended that, so I should now quit going on about it.

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: Well, I'm sorry if I've denounced you in some way. I am currently trying to define for myself what it is that pisses me off so much about Islamic Fundamentalism, and I am researching fundamentalism because I think the problems are not Islamic in nature. Therefore, I am researching fundamentalism hoping to find the source of my problems with my nation's current nemisis. Because I like to think that general rules govern human behavior, I am assuming that the problem is not specific to Islamic Fundamentalism but rather derives from either Islam or Fundamentalism. Additionally, this is a topic I approached from the social studies point of view, and it is quickly turning into a religious discussion. I had not intended that, so I should now quit going on about it.

T.L. NO OFFENSE is taken on my part, I am what I am, how can I be offended by that, or how can I be offended by you pointing it out. I'll not rat you out or report this and say you denounced me in some way. Nor will I condone ANYBODY Else on this board doing so. I'll scrap with anybody that tries tot do so, T.L.

I believe general rules do govern Human behavior, Zealots of all stripes can be misguided. I beleive that there are men taking advantage of Human behavior in the I.F. movement, From what I can tell in Christianity the Martyrs get no special treatment, Men have said they do, but I can not find it. Atleast not in the sense of you martyr yourself and you get "X", above and beyond what everybody else gets in paradise. That is playing to the human behavior of selfeshness/greed/look what I got/selfimportance, everybody wishes to be somebody, the problem as I see is they already are they just don't know it.