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Does anyone else think the phrase "tend to" indicates a generalization rather than an observation based on history?
Find the generalization: A) "People tend to dislike the movie Gigli." B) "Everyone hated Gigli." C) "Every single person who saw Gigli hated it." If you answered A, you're stupid. If you answered B, you might be correct, but popular usage gives you some leeway. Ergo, C is a generalization, because Billy Joe Bob Carl Tom Sam Dan Frank Frankson of Short Hairs, Georgia enjoyed Gigli. And weren't we talking about gay marriage? Is there anything to debate? Come on, I want to see some people who have the guts to come out (no pun intended) against gay marriage and discuss it in a civil manner. Debate is pointless if we don't touch the issue.
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Rome plummetting population was a direct cointributor in it's fall. Europe's has been falling for a fair while, as has Americas. That is where people draw similarities. Hedonism, leading to a culture of SELF SELF SELF, instread of looking out for each other, or the society as a whole. Giving homosexual marriages the same benefits and encouragements as hetrosexual ones, is a SYMPTOM of a situation, not the REASON for it. Again, very historical. Precedents abound. Rome and Greece in particular. Also at issue, is that polygamists are being refused legal marriage licences. What is at issue is the defenition of marriage. Kept at one man, one woman, it is simple and clear cut. We will not see the end of this. Polygamy will be legal, just as homosexual marriages are legal. And then we will see bestial marriages, child brides (as has occured in history) and whatever else takes peoples fancy - BECAUSE IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. America is not a vacuum. Learning how to develop society in isolation. You are not the posessors of unique experiences. Theses issues have occured before and will occur again. Society NEEDS strong child-producing hetrosexual marriages if it is to perpetuate. When these are not encouraged and supported society DOES collapse. Every society that has lost sight of that has in fact collapsed. But the world will go on. We'll just find that Roman Catholics and Muslims, who will end up outnumbering the rest of us, will be able to enforce their harsher brands of morality on us. ![]() |
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Right on! No nation that recognizes polygamy can be anything but absolutely evil.
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[/QUOTE]Polygamistic societies strongly favor procreation. Quote:
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Wow. In case you didn't know, Santorum compared acts of homosexuality with bestiality and incest. I find all three deplorable: Bestiality, incest, and comparing homosexuality to these. Your non-arguments are warped in nature, and you've now more or less run *both* threads on homosexuality into the ground. Is there any reason at all I should listen to a word you say? Or should I just publicly call for your banning and call it a day?
Yeesh. ::wanders off until people decide to start debating again:: [ 08-08-2004, 08:41 PM: Message edited by: Illumina Drathiran'ar ]
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You have a problem with incest and bestiality, and I preume paedophilia, yet take issue with someone having a problem with homosexuality. Seems semantic to me. ![]() You are no different from Santorum, it's just that where you have placed your dividing line is different. Your excercise of judgement, condemnation and intolerance is exactly the same - hence, is hypocritical, as you are doing the same thing, just arguing about where the line should be. Why should someone that loves their pet be derided and condemned? Why should two siblings that manifest their love in sexual expression be condemned? It's all love isn't it? What is your reasoning in condemning one, but not the other? Nature? Cross species attempts at intercourse is natural. So is incest. If your argument is that homosexuality is natural, but theses others is not, you are deluded. What other arguments are there? C'mon, you must have strong ones, seeing as you're so prepared to condemn them, and yet condemn condemnation of homosexual sex. |
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A dividing line exists between homosexuality and bestiality/paedophilia, Yorick -- it's called CONSENT.
Now, I argued against your point about a heterosexual couple being able to produce their own child long ago, and feel I won that little bout. In fact, when I pointed out that if only couples that could procreate should raise children, then we should deny adoptions to infertile couples. When you retorted with "well, they could procreate, if it weren't for the infertility" than I knew I'd won that one fair and square -- because it's equally true that a homosexual male couple could procreate so long as one had a working uterus. [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img] So, needless to say, I'm not going down that road again with you. What I do want to address are the glaring factual mistakes you've made above. Quote:
Now, if your point is really that whitebread Americans are a dying breed, just like whitebread Euros, and they should procreate more to keep their kind from being bred out of existence, well you may have a point. I'll get my sheet, and we can continue the discussion. I did hear a funny comedian the other night say that he and all like-minded black men had a vested interest in making sure white men didn't die out, because they need us: no more white men, no more white women. ![]() Quote:
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I'm waiting to hear Illuminas reasons in any case. I did not regard your arguments as hypocritical, jsut his, as he was so eager to condemn a process of judgement, despite having the same process, just a different dividing line. Quote:
I move the adoption rights to couples, that, were they in normal health, could have children by natural means - ie. a child cannot adopt, nor can a post menopausal woman, nor a same sex couple, nor a human-animal couple. Really really simple, and uses the line of division nature already uses. Quote:
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Polygamy does not make a strong and functional society. In Islamic society, just as in preRoman middle eastern society, it is evidence of a lack of career options for women, rather than pure romantic choices. In Tibet, apparently it is again, economically driven. Two men for a woman. In any case, in America, why is it illegal? If homosexuals can marry, why not three or more CONSENTING adults? Seeing as consent was your issue with paedophilia. |
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If they just would be smart enough to go for "all the substantive rights of marriage, no matter what you bigots want to call it" then they would have the support of the vast majority, including both presidential candidates. And, it is my personal experience, from knowing a LOT of gay people, that by and large they just care about the substantive rights (if they care at all -- some don't give a rat's ass about marriage in the least). But, it's the agenda of the extreme gay rights groups -- Lambda, B-GLAD, Rainbow Coalition -- that have hijacked the whole gay population and misrepresented the majority of what gays believe and want in order to pursue their more radical political agenda. It's currently backfiring on them. A lot of people get pissed when you give someone an inch and they try to take a mile. For the majority of small-brained conservatives, civil unions are fine, but gay marriages aren't. That's a long way for small-brained conservatives to have come in the last decade or two. Unfortunately, that paradigmatical change in attitude in this country cannot be capitalized upon because the small group of small-brained gay rights groups insist that "that isn't enough." Anyway, [img]graemlins/rant.gif[/img] over -- for now. [/QUOTE]Preach it Brother T.L. Preach IT!!!! I vote for your original proposel(sp?) and call it "Bob" instead of marriage. I believe it is funny to see there are those complaining about one side holding onto something YET they themselves hold on to something. I say hold on to what you want to hold on too, if you are able to keep ahold of IT great if you lose IT great. At least you are alive to try and hold on to something.
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