They're at it again...

[Skunk]

To quote some other people...thats none of our business..it's between Israel and the Palistinians. I think Azred has it right...let them go at it and the last one standing wins...of course since Israel has pretty much kicked butt and taken names when fighting the Arab League...it wouldn't be much of a fight against the Palistinians.

And if you come across a road traffic accident on a lonely country road - do you just continue on your way muttering "It's none of my business"? What about if you see someone abducting a child..."None of my business"?

That would be a hell of a society to live in, huh?

[johnny]

It wouldn't be much different than it is today.

Originally posted by Skunk: quote: To quote some other people...thats none of our business..it's between Israel and the Palistinians. I think Azred has it right...let them go at it and the last one standing wins...of course since Israel has pretty much kicked butt and taken names when fighting the Arab League...it wouldn't be much of a fight against the Palistinians.

And if you come across a road traffic accident on a lonely country road - do you just continue on your way muttering "It's none of my business"? What about if you see someone abducting a child..."None of my business"?

That would be a hell of a society to live in, huh? [/QUOTE]
I guess I am wrong, but wasn't it you that was condemning the USA for sticking it's nose in everyother countries business? I apologize if that has not been your stance previously.....I just want to point out that you can't have it both ways.

[Sir Taliesin]

Originally posted by Skunk: quote: I agree completely with you. No matter how hard the US or any other good willed country attempts to get the countries to cooperate, in the end only those 2 can really do anything to end the violence.

Look, if we can pull Saddam out of Kuwait, we can sure as hell pull Israel out of Palestine. If we can partition and keep apart Turkish and Greek cypriots, we can darn well do the same with Israel and Palestine. [/QUOTE]Huh... Skunk, in case you haven't read about it, Sharon is in the process of doing just that. He's building a wall around the West Bank. Of course, he's doing it on Palestianian land. Give him a year and it will probably be done.

[WillowIX]

Originally posted by MagiK: I think that I have to go along with a modified version of what TL first proposed...ie let Israel erase all traces of Palistinians/Palestine from the map. But first....set a deadline. Set a date and make it known to the palestinian people plain and clear..either get out there and crush these extremists (with or without israels help) or we will have to just go into unrestricted war mode and settle things once and for all. Sure there would be pockets of resistance for some time but eventually they would be starved out and Israel would be able to better watch its new borders to control any influx of arms or supplies to the remaining few palistinian nut jobs. Of course this will only work if you just want to settle things once and for all.

It wouldn't work. Although the Palestinian suicide bombings would stop there wouldn't be a Israel to "enjoy" it. If this scenario should happen Israel would soon find several hostile armies marching against them. Probably one from every arab country in the world. Now where it the other way around, Palestinians erasing Israel, we would probably ahve peace in the region. But let's hope none of this will ever happen.

And Welcome back MagiK. [img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img] *hugs*

[Sir Taliesin]

Willow, you forget the history of all the conflicts Israel has fought in since it's inception. In EVERY case they have had to fight multiple armies and in EVERY case they have won HUGE victories!!! There is nothing to suggest that the next war will be any different. The US just crushed the largest army in the region, quite easily. The Israeli Army is perhaps the only Army that is better trained than we are. And they are just as bloodied.

[johnny]

Like Sir T said, the Israeli's are ready and willing to crush ANY Arab army that marches against them. The Arabs know this too, they found out the hard way, and i don't see them try anything like that again in the near future. But Israel's problems would not be solved if there weren't any Palestinians around anymore, it goes way beyond that. there isn't a single Arab nation who wouldn't jump on the Israeli's when they catch them off guard. As long as the Arabs don't recognize the state of Israel legitimate, the misery will continue. tolerance is what this region needs, but i don't think any of the involved parties has ever heard of that word.

Originally posted by WillowIX: It wouldn't work. Although the Palestinian suicide bombings would stop there wouldn't be a Israel to "enjoy" it. If this scenario should happen Israel would soon find several hostile armies marching against them. Probably one from every arab country in the world. Now where it the other way around, Palestinians erasing Israel, we would probably ahve peace in the region. But let's hope none of this will ever happen. And Welcome back MagiK. [img]graemlins/happywave.gif[/img] *hugs*

Thanks for the welcome..but I have to ask you.....

What invading armies would be destroying Israel?? Would those be the same massivly huge armies as the ones that three times the Arab League attacked them with before? They got their behinds handed to them the last couple of times they tried to "Push the Jews into the ocean"....

It is really remarkable (in my opinion) that Israel hasn't just said "awww Screw it" and wasted every Arab within 500 miles of their borders. Yeah the rest of the UN would pooh pooh them and propose and perhaps actually enforce sanctions against them...but as we have seen, the UN is pretty much all talk and no do. Heck it would probably take them 5 years just to figure out what seating arangement to have at the meetings to enforce the sanctions to use.

Ok Im being silly about the UN, but in the last 30 years they have yet to impress me in any way.

Originally posted by Sir Taliesin: Willow, you forget the history of all the conflicts Israel has fought in since it's inception. In EVERY case they have had to fight multiple armies and in EVERY case they have won HUGE victories!!! There is nothing to suggest that the next war will be any different. The US just crushed the largest army in the region, quite easily. The Israeli Army is perhaps the only Army that is better trained than we are. And they are just as bloodied.

You have to remember, the reason they have the land ont he west bank and the gaza is because they kicked the booty of the surrounding nations armies which attacked them. They took the land to create a buffer zone around Israel proper so that any future attacks would/could be met on (in theory) someone elses property.

As I mentioned in my original post here that TL misstated.

Hell Israel had captrured all of the Gaza all the way to the Suez Canal and had the US (and UN) not restrained them..they probably could have seized all of Egypt because they had completely defeated most of the real egyptian army.....instead the US and others convinced Egypt to declare a peace with Israel...I think they are the only Arab nation to do so.



[ 08-21-2003, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

[johnny]

It's not that they had much of a choice MagiK, it took the Israeli's only a few hours to destroy the entire Egyptian airforce. When you're in a situation like that, you don't have much to negotiate with.