Obama budget could bring $9.3 trillion in deficits

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally Posted by Luvian I don't care what anyone's opinion on Obama, his party or his budget is. You can think he's a Terrorist, you can think he's the Devil come to Earth. You can think he's a Saint. You can spend your every breaths campaigning for or against him. Whatever. It's your opinion, that's fine. But this is a discussion forum; not a platform to spread your propaganda, no matter what it may be. If you're not actually willing to submit your opinion for debate, and if you're not willing to make an effort to try and understand the opposite viewpoints, then you are at the wrong place. What you are looking for is your blog. This isn't your blog. Feel free to share point of views regarding politics. But keep the propaganda for your blogs.

You are absolutely correct. My apologies to you, Chewy, LoA, and other distinguished ers that might drop by on occasion.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior My god. You were told to stop, let's do that eh?

LMAO! What a vision you have created. Like the awe-inspired child who has stirred the hornets nest, you run, arms flailing, to the moderator, and stand behind him for comfort, using him as your shield, and voice. You are really humorous!

[SpiritWarrior]

Felix, you're wasting your breath. You will not bait me, nor will that other post you so quickly deleted because you realized your error. I agree, you are clearly pissed at me, at us...chill out man, it's just a forum.

I think what was suggested about Blogging would be ideal for what you want to do. You can post all you like, and have no opposition to your opinions. You can also moderate the comments made so that nobody tells you anything that makes you mad.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Felix The Assassin Correct! And I'm here for the nation. However, the nation can be successful while the president and strong democrat aligned congress fail. That would be the ultimate achievement for the GOP, and to further take it, be able to fix the situation in time for the next election would be their prevailing triumph. In so much as, there are a few dems now sounding the drums of the GOP party. While those repubs that might have crossed the aisle in votes past, have become ever so leery of their current situation, and have become less agreeable to plunge at that risk again.

Achievment for the GOP is preventing my neighbors from lawfully marrying and preventing me from succeeding at America's most popular game of skill. Considering religious interpretation is the root of such freedom-denying leglislating, I must wonder behind closed doors how many of the people in the Grand Old Party are in fact Americans 2nd?

They had their chance during the last 15 or so years and wasted it by becoming the party of the big business defense contractor and religious zealot rather than anything even resembling a party of fiscal restraint and smaller government that does not intrude on the People's lives.

Trying to take a high-ground approach now is simply rotten, when they should be groveling to the American people for forgivness and reforming the party platform to get rid of the liberty-denying deadweight, Carl Rove be damned and just my opinion of course.

Hey, Be cool Felix! Please! It's an easy trap to fall in, in face of multiple opposing views, to get frustrated and resort to personal attacks rather than keep to respectful political debate. I've fallin myself more than once and try to learn from it every time.

Let's try and keep our respect for each other in the spirit of our political system. We can have strong opinions, We can agree to disagree, We can compromise in order to solve the problems we face. At the end of the day we are just people opining, debating, and discussing politics on the internet, nothing new nor particularly special.

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior Felix, you're wasting your breath. You will not bait me, nor will that other post you so quickly deleted because you realized your error. I agree, you are clearly pissed at me, at us...chill out man, it's just a forum. I think what was suggested about Blogging would be ideal for what you want to do. You can post all you like, and have no opposition to your opinions. You can also moderate the comments made so that nobody tells you anything that makes you mad.

That is where you are truly mistaken. I'm not mad at anybody, what you are on the verge of discovery is close to what you have eluded to, the description has already been tossed about. There you will find me in my most comfortable zone.

The post you so quickly called deleted was up for eight hours, long enough for you to read by activity level, then taken down. (This spot intentionally left void of any callouts)!

Me blogging! Ha! Spring is in the air, grounds need to be tended, plots set for planting, tractor serviced and prepared for gardening. Not much time available in the next seven months.

[SpiritWarrior]

Well, all I am saying is there are 24 threads by you on the first page of this forum. If that doesn't scream blogspace, I don't know what does. It was an honest suggestion, your posts are more like Blogging posts, with links and a commentary almost every time. As for time, well if you had the time to post all these...unless that is truly changing which I think would do you good.

[Chewbacca]

I thought the point of a discussion forum like this was to bring news stories ie. current events, complete with links and commentary, up for discussion. I don't understand why Felix needs to go leave and do that somewhere else however cryptic some of his commentary maybe?

I can understand a call to keep the discussion civil, on topic, and not personal. But "go start a blog"? Isn't that a little over the top?

[SpiritWarrior]

I am not saying to not post here, but I mean, 24 threads with links and one line of commentary, where around 80% of them garner zero responses or replies at all, just seems to be flooding the forum in the same way a blogger would post on his blogspace. This is what people use blogs for, to condense and focus their opinion onto one webpage.

That and the fact that all these threads, for reasons we have already discussed, seem to deteriorate into personal or veiled insults and eventually, a plain old pissing contest. On a Blog these comments could be moderated, curtailed or even blocked. And the blog creater is in total control of who says what and how they say it.

It was a suggestion is all. Or, perhaps he could do like a weekly thread (even daily), but have all his stories/commentary in that thread, where people can reply to a multitude of points carried within it. I am sure this way he will get more replies too!

[Felix The Assassin]

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior I am not saying to not post here, but I mean, 24 threads with links and one line of commentary, where around 80% of them garner zero responses or replies at all, just seems to be flooding the forum in the same way a blogger would post on his blogspace. This is what people use blogs for, to condense and focus their opinion onto one webpage. That and the fact that all these threads, for reasons we have already discussed, seem to deteriorate into personal or veiled insults and eventually, a plain old pissing contest. On a Blog these comments could be moderated, curtailed or even blocked. And the blog creater is in total control of who says what and how they say it. It was a suggestion is all. Or, perhaps he could do like a weekly thread (even daily), but have all his stories/commentary in that thread, where people can reply to a multitude of points carried within it. I am sure this way he will get more replies too!

Here is where you differ from me. I don't need Post counts, or attention, or stimulation. My satisfaction is achieved by seeing how you (D) squirm.

Most people don't post because; they hear it on the radio, see it on TV, then come here, and I have kept them up to date. They are ready to go lie down somewhere and contemplate on how they allowed this to happen, and what is it going to take to fix it. Which by the way, we can start to fix it in two years when we go to the polls in '10.

You think I'm mad at you, Luvian thought I was a sore loser, and mad at many, where truth to be, is quite the contrary. I'm here showing the irrevocable truth, providing links to said statements, and antagonizing the (D) camp with their self proclaimed "Messiah" of a statesman. With BHO doing such a good job of helping me out, there is very little room for counter point here.

And that is why you want me to depart, so you can have a moment of peace and quiet, which will not happen for the next couple of years.

[SpiritWarrior]

Originally Posted by Felix The Assassin Here is where you differ from me. I don't need Post counts, or attention, or stimulation. My satisfaction is achieved by seeing how you (D) squirm. Most people don't post because; they hear it on the radio, see it on TV, then come here, and I have kept them up to date. They are ready to go lie down somewhere and contemplate on how they allowed this to happen, and what is it going to take to fix it. Which by the way, we can start to fix it in two years when we go to the polls in '10. You think I'm mad at you, Luvian thought I was a sore loser, and mad at many, where truth to be, is quite the contrary. I'm here showing the irrevocable truth, providing links to said statements, and antagonizing the (D) camp with their self proclaimed "Messiah" of a statesman. With BHO doing such a good job of helping me out, there is very little room for counter point here. And that is why you want me to depart, so you can have a moment of peace and quiet, which will not happen for the next couple of years.

But, as Luvian pointed out, this is propoganda. It is your opinion and your political leaning that you are spouting. My problem, and the problem that the others have with it, is not what you are spouting, but how you are spouting it. See, even now you cannot avoid saying things like how you like to "see the Democrats squirm". You constantly fall back to this left vs. right thing in a gaming forum. This is not a political forum, it is a gaming forum. This is a sub-forum within IW that provides us a place to talk about current events, not argue the everlasting argument about which political side we should be on.

Let me, one last time, touch on the main points that I have been trying to communicate to you and then be done with it, because I think it's approaching dead-horse status (at least, for me it feels like I have said this many times).

You say many don't post because they read the news and that you provide it here for them. But you are not providing it, you are providing your political take on it. Basically, you are taking on the role of a right-wing political pundit. This isn't fair to the rest of IW, is it? Your presenting to them a filtered version of the news, the same way I would be if I was doing what you do from my democratic standpoint. I mean, I could simply open up many of the left-leaning websites like the Huffington Post, and then create 5 or 6 threads here per day, based on what I can scour, equipped with their and my take on it, all tailored to the democratic cause and beliefs. But I don't because I (A) Don't have the time to do so, (B) Recognize that I would come off as a conceited twat, (C) Don't quite get the same kick out of arguing with someone like you every day, as you do with me (or anyone else). It does not delight me or motivate me to spam the current events forum with my own left-wing threads. Understand, I don't care enough about your political compass for it to matter to me, that is why I am encouraging you to spread your message on your Blog rather than on a forum that is not political. If I was concerned with you speaking your message at all then I wouldn't suggest it.

Then, of course, we have the whole issue when someone actually argues your points. I've done it enough, god knows. I have watched others do it too. You never concede, or attempt to see anyone's view. You view is gospel and nobody will tell you otherwise. You come off as arrogant, directly or indirectly insult those who disagree with you, and pretty much engage in ego-games about you being right and them being wrong. There is zero room for debate and much room for you to "educate" people on how they "got it wrong". Atop this, to put it nicely, your communication can be quite dizzying at times, frequently meandering into totally irrelevant subjects that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed.

Finally, you have basically conceded that your main reason for creating these threads is the following.

"I don't need Post counts, or attention, or stimulation. My satisfaction is achieved by seeing how you (D) squirm."

What you describe here is called baiting. If your sole reason for posting is to bait "the other side" into an argument, which you will never listen to anyway, then I would say two things 1) It is against the forum rules and 2) you need to get out more and find a better hobby (how about a blog?)

On a personal note, I would say that, after reading a fair amount of your threads and taking part in more than one back and forth with you, I truly believe that there is a psychological aspect to it and I am leaning toward a narcissistic type of issue. Don't take it from me, get some professional opinions on your postings here, ask for their honest thoughts on your communications, how you deal with conflict and your stated reasons for creating threads. Ask more than one person, and try to have them look at your actual threads on this forum. I think the answers could be enlightening.

Before you mention any political figures or government body, I want to reiterate here that this is about you. Not GWB or Obama, not Republicans or Democrats. It is about the "how" of the delivery as opposed to what is being delivered. People here generally are respectful, so it wouldn't make sense for them to all be pretending to have an issue with you, butreally have an issue with your political leanings. My point is, when you assume that the only reason all these people could be bitching at you is because they don't agree with you politically and don't agree with your political leanings, it does the IW community a disservice. I know I wouldn't take all this time to explain myself unless I was telling the truth. Try to accept that.

Now, my eyes are falling out of my head, g'nite!