The truth is out there. Or is it? - Page 4

ZFR · 11-01-2007, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaradu

We weren't there at the start, but we can trace the movements of the galaxies backwards through time based on their degree of red shift.

So you admit that you don't see the big bang. You see something (movement of galaxies) that (according to you, at least) shows us that the big bang happened. Just like other people see signs that show (according to them at least) that God exists. Difficult?

EDIT:
"The term [big bang] is also used in a narrower sense to describe the fundamental "fireball" that erupted at or close to an initial time-point in the history"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang

Kakero · 11-01-2007, 07:21 PM

Big bang does exist, without big bang, we wouldn't be born.

ok, move on guys, just some other colourful vocab from yours truly.

Jaradu · 11-01-2007, 07:23 PM

Quote:

So you admit that you're not seeing the big bang. You see something (movement of galaxies) that (according to you, at least) show us that the big bang happened. Just like other people see signs that show (according to them at least) that God exists. Difficult?

Not at all. Each to their own.

Firestormalpha · 11-01-2007, 07:24 PM

I dunno, I'm not studying any sciences at the moment, but seeing the results of something doesn't necesarily tell you exactly what happened. That's like saying we've collected enough data on the weather of earth to say without doubt that human activity is the decisive cause of global warming. We may have a lot of influence in that, but how do we know that say 60% of it isn't natural weather cycle on a larger patern than we've had time to assess?

Jaradu · 11-01-2007, 07:47 PM

I dunno, I'm a bit sceptical myself that humans are driving climate change.

But I'm not sure how that would be applied to the Big Bang. How can something be 60% responsible for the expansion of the universe?

Firestormalpha · 11-01-2007, 08:17 PM

The main point you may have guessed (I'm assuming you literalism is somewhat sarcastic) is the difficulty of assess the cause based on nothing more than the results.

Larry_OHF · 11-01-2007, 09:44 PM

FYI: Speaking about religion on these forums usually leads to nothing but problems, so its best to just leave those discussions at other websites. You guys already know this.

ZFR · 11-03-2007, 05:28 AM

Red shift isn't caused by the big bang. The galaxies are moving away from Chuck Norris.

Can we discuss Chuck Norris on this website too?

Firestormalpha · 11-03-2007, 08:07 AM

Of course not, Remember in the eyes of some, Chuck Norris IS God. The anciet sect of religious warrior monks called Norrisites. Clearly discussing Chuck Norris would be a religious matter. :p

JrKASperov · 11-03-2007, 09:13 AM

Chuck Norris is god? You infedels! Chuck Norris created god in order to have a buddy to arm-wrestle with that wouldn't automatically lose. Sadly, Chuck Norris still won.

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11-01-2007, 07:21 PM	#32
Kakero 40th Level Warrior Join Date: March 24, 2002 Posts: 10,215	Re: The truth is out there. Or is it? Big bang does exist, without big bang, we wouldn't be born. ok, move on guys, just some other colourful vocab from yours truly.

11-01-2007, 07:24 PM	#34
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 41 Posts: 4,454	Re: The truth is out there. Or is it? I dunno, I'm not studying any sciences at the moment, but seeing the results of something doesn't necesarily tell you exactly what happened. That's like saying we've collected enough data on the weather of earth to say without doubt that human activity is the decisive cause of global warming. We may have a lot of influence in that, but how do we know that say 60% of it isn't natural weather cycle on a larger patern than we've had time to assess? __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

11-01-2007, 07:47 PM	#35
Jaradu Silver Dragon Join Date: July 29, 2003 Location: Shrewsbury, England Age: 35 Posts: 1,635	Re: The truth is out there. Or is it? I dunno, I'm a bit sceptical myself that humans are driving climate change. But I'm not sure how that would be applied to the Big Bang. How can something be 60% responsible for the expansion of the universe?

11-01-2007, 08:17 PM	#36
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 41 Posts: 4,454	Re: The truth is out there. Or is it? The main point you may have guessed (I'm assuming you literalism is somewhat sarcastic) is the difficulty of assess the cause based on nothing more than the results. __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

11-01-2007, 09:44 PM	#37
Larry_OHF Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Midlands, South Carolina Age: 49 Posts: 14,759	Re: The truth is out there. Or is it? FYI: Speaking about religion on these forums usually leads to nothing but problems, so its best to just leave those discussions at other websites. You guys already know this. __________________

11-03-2007, 05:28 AM	#38
ZFR Legion Symbol Join Date: February 14, 2002 Location: Ireland Age: 41 Posts: 7,370	Re: The truth is out there. Or is it? Red shift isn't caused by the big bang. The galaxies are moving away from Chuck Norris. Can we discuss Chuck Norris on this website too? __________________ ZFR

11-03-2007, 08:07 AM	#39
Firestormalpha Knight of the Rose Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Coral Springs, Fl USA Age: 41 Posts: 4,454	Re: The truth is out there. Or is it? Of course not, Remember in the eyes of some, Chuck Norris IS God. The anciet sect of religious warrior monks called Norrisites. Clearly discussing Chuck Norris would be a religious matter. :p __________________ "When you start with a presupposition, it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion." "We are never to judge a philosophy by its abuse." - Augustine "If you're wondering if God has a sense of humor, consider the platypus." http://www.greaterthings.cbglades.com

11-03-2007, 09:13 AM	#40
JrKASperov Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 16, 2003 Location: Wa\'eni\'n Age: 39 Posts: 1,701	Re: The truth is out there. Or is it? Chuck Norris is god? You infedels! Chuck Norris created god in order to have a buddy to arm-wrestle with that wouldn't automatically lose. Sadly, Chuck Norris still won. __________________ God is in the rain.

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