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[Alson]

Originally posted by jcompton: Oh well. I'll just keep jumping into threads telling people where to get the most up to date Baldurdash, then.

And i will help you.

Sorry Dundee, but like you said - we are going to ought to agree to disagree.

[Dundee Slaytern]

No worries.

[LennonCook]

Ok, the remix documentation states that it has "most" of the SOA fixpack: it has less than a quarter; and practically none of the TOB one. (according to the list of fixes).
Infact, most of the fixes it lists are actually tweaks/cheats !!
AND, none of the fixes listed in it are missing from the Baldurdash website.

Most up-to-date baldurdash fixpack around ??
Maybe if you think "most up-to-date" means "oldest", and "fixpack" means tweaks & cheats.

[ 09-09-2002, 06:08 AM: Message edited by: LennonCook ]

[Dundee Slaytern]

Out of curiosity though, if a person does not have ToB, is the remix still safe for that person?

[LennonCook]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: Out of curiosity though, if a person does not have ToB, is the remix still safe for that person?

From what I can get out of the deleteme, each section (TOB Fixpack, TOB tweaks, SOA fixpack, SOA cheats) is optional; there is nothing at all which is required.
So yes, it would be safe; but no it wouldn`t be nearly as good a bug fix as the full SOA fixpack.

[japheth]

Originally posted by LennonCook: Ok, the remix documentation states that it has "most" of the SOA fixpack: it has less than a quarter; and practically none of the TOB one. (according to the list of fixes). Infact, most of the fixes it lists are actually tweaks/cheats !! AND, none of the fixes listed in it are missing from the Baldurdash website. Most up-to-date baldurdash fixpack around ?? Maybe if you think "most up-to-date" means "oldest", and "fixpack" means tweaks & cheats.

Rest assured, all of the TOB Fixes are in there. I just didn't see much sense dedicating an entire section to each bugfix, since most people would want to install all the bugfixes at once anyways.

I believe I said I have some of the SOA Bugfixes. I just haven't had time to go about getting them all together as RL takes precedence over this of course.

I'd say in about a month or so I'll include them.

I'm not trying to offend anyone here, just trying to set the record straight.

Thanks,

japheth

[LennonCook]

Originally posted by japheth: Rest assured, all of the TOB Fixes are in there. I just didn't see much sense dedicating an entire section to each bugfix, since most people would want to install all the bugfixes at once anyways. I believe I said I have some of the SOA Bugfixes. I just haven't had time to go about getting them all together as RL takes precedence over this of course. I'd say in about a month or so I'll include them. I'm not trying to offend anyone here, just trying to set the record straight. Thanks, japheth

Ah, but at Baldurdash it seems to be setup similar to what you have it, for the bugfixes atleast: If you have TOB, you get the TOB fixpack which includes all TOB fixes and all SOA fixes that work with TOB on top; if you don`t have TOB, you get the SOA fixpack.
Now, if I understand what you`re saying properly, you are trying to set it up so you only need to run one program for both fixpacks; but at baldurdash it`s set up so you can either get some bug fixes for your version, or the full fixpack in one executable; the TOB fixpack including the SOA patches needed. So basically, your mod is setup so you need to install two packages for full baldurdashing, but baldurdash is set up so you only need one one executable and that`s it.

Have I misinterperated your post ?? [img]graemlins/confused5.gif[/img]

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by japheth: Rest assured, all of the TOB Fixes are in there. I just didn't see much sense dedicating an entire section to each bugfix, since most people would want to install all the bugfixes at once anyways. I believe I said I have some of the SOA Bugfixes. I just haven't had time to go about getting them all together as RL takes precedence over this of course. I'd say in about a month or so I'll include them. I'm not trying to offend anyone here, just trying to set the record straight. Thanks, japheth

Welcome to the Ironworks Forums, japheth.

Just some comments from me.

I prefer the SoA Fixpack and the ToB Fixpack to be seperated for the reason that not everybody has ToB. Also, if you have ToB installed, you do not need to install the SoA Fixpack.

That is not my bugbear though. I am a-okay if both Fixpacks are merged into one installer program, so long as it is made clear which Fixpack the person should install, and that the Fixpack should only be installed after installing the Official Patch( SoA or ToB depending on the person).

Hey! Maybe you should include the official patches in the installer program.

What bugs me is that the Fixpacks has been merged with the Tweaks and Cheats. In Baldurdash, the distinction was made clear by having two different webpages dedicated to them, one each. Why not the same for the installer program( ergo, two different installer programs)?

[japheth]

Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: quote: Originally posted by japheth: Rest assured, all of the TOB Fixes are in there. I just didn't see much sense dedicating an entire section to each bugfix, since most people would want to install all the bugfixes at once anyways. I believe I said I have some of the SOA Bugfixes. I just haven't had time to go about getting them all together as RL takes precedence over this of course. I'd say in about a month or so I'll include them. I'm not trying to offend anyone here, just trying to set the record straight. Thanks, japheth

Welcome to the Ironworks Forums, japheth.

Just some comments from me.

I prefer the SoA Fixpack and the ToB Fixpack to be seperated for the reason that not everybody has ToB. Also, if you have ToB installed, you do not need to install the SoA Fixpack.

That is not my bugbear though. I am a-okay if both Fixpacks are merged into one installer program, so long as it is made clear which Fixpack the person should install, and that the Fixpack should only be installed after installing the Official Patch( SoA or ToB depending on the person).

Hey! Maybe you should include the official patches in the installer program.

What bugs me is that the Fixpacks has been merged with the Tweaks and Cheats. In Baldurdash, the distinction was made clear by having two different webpages dedicated to them, one each. Why not the same for the installer program( ergo, two different installer programs)?[/QUOTE]Well, in the installer the cheats/fixes/tweaks/whatever you want to call them, are separated quite obviously with a checkbox. You check the box, it's installed, you leave it unchecked, it's not installed. Plus by default, the TOB Bugfixes are installed, none of the "cheats".

I really don't see any difference between checking a box in an installer, or clicking a link on a webpage. Both will give you what you want when clicked/checked.

However, that being said, I'm thinking of more clearly defining the sections for people. Although, I figured they were defined well enough by their names alone.

As for clarity, I think I covered almost everything in the readme. If people don't read the documentation, I really can't avoid that problem.

Just my .02

[Dundee Slaytern]

Originally posted by japheth: Well, in the installer the cheats/fixes/tweaks/whatever you want to call them, are separated quite obviously with a checkbox. You check the box, it's installed, you leave it unchecked, it's not installed. Plus by default, the TOB Bugfixes are installed, none of the "cheats".

By default, do you mean the checkbox for the ToB Fixpack is checked? If so, I would advise to leave all the checkboxes unchecked by default. People tend to have a pathological fear of altering any defaults in an installer program. Some might say I am being too paranoid, but believe me, that fear is very real in most people.

This is to prevent those without ToB to accidentally install the wrong Fixpack.

I really don't see any difference between checking a box in an installer, or clicking a link on a webpage. Both will give you what you want when clicked/checked.

You have a point there, I admit. I will wait and see the later versions first then.

However, that being said, I'm thinking of more clearly defining the sections for people. Although, I figured they were defined well enough by their names alone. As for clarity, I think I covered almost everything in the readme. If people don't read the documentation, I really can't avoid that problem. Just my .02

As me and my fellow programmers used to dryly comment, "Always design the program under the assumption that the user is a complete moron."

Some might say that we are being mean, but we have to try to cater to all people, and try to prevent said people from messing up as best as we can. At least when we do it this way, when the user is really a complete moron, the user will not end up destroying/corrupting his game files because we expected the user to be a complete moron and instilled safeguards, disclaimers, etc... where appropriate.

Another sad fact is that most people do not bother to read the Readme file, thinking that it is just some random drivel. Every other day there is a request for information on this forum or the ToB forum, when the answer is printed clearly in the Readme file.

Thanks for replying by the way. Keep up the good job.