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Old 01-03-2003, 03:52 PM   #31
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What you say is totally true Timber. But imo their is a line to be drawn somewhere.. That line comes after drivers licenses and before conscription.

Compulsory military service in peace time is one thing and in war time is another. I think a stint in the military would be a good thing for a lot of people. Builds character, overcomes adversity, teaches teamwork etc. etc.

But it is truly my opinion that the military is a job.. a profession. And if someone does not want to enter the military.. they should not have to under penalty of incarceration. That is not freedom in any sense imo including the half-freedom under law that you mention that is what exists today. True freedom like you said is anarchy. And conscription is... is just not any type of freedom in any sense.. That is my opinion.


What you say is true too Djinn, however that is why I think the words "Peace Corps" and other governmental services are being possibly added to the list.
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Old 01-03-2003, 03:53 PM   #32
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I think that the draft would be a good thing for america - it would force people to put their money where their mouths are. Maybe some people wouldn't be so keen about a war when it is them, their parents, their children doing the fighting and taking the bullets.
Um... draft or not, it is us, our parents, and our children who have always done the fighting and taken the bullets.


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Old 01-03-2003, 03:57 PM   #33
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I think the real irony is that Rep. Rangel, a Korean Vet, voted against military action in Iraq and seems to want re-instate the draft so every citizen would have a personal stake in war and think long and hard about the costs of war before agreeing to it.
Especially the other members of Congress and the Senate. I heard that one of the reasons he is pushing it is that only one (1) member of both houses has a child on active duty.
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Old 01-03-2003, 04:00 PM   #34
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Hey, Chewie I want saying that YOU were concerned about the danger personally, It was the metaphorical you, as in them and they.

But guess who determines that you are an adult? The Government has set that age, so if they can set the age at which you gain your majority, they can also set the age at which you are free to exercise your god given rights. Unless you are an atheist in which case you have no rights under the constitution since it is God who has given the rights

Edit: Compulsory service has few real flaws, and a lot of positives, both to the individual and to the society as a whole. A little discipline can go a looong way. Not everyone knows what is good for them, mayhap that in a compulsory disciplined service, you (not you you,...them you...the metaphorical you) could learn something you never dreamed of?!
Oh yeah, I know you weren't refering to me in a personal sense, but since my personal expirience summed up what you (yes, You) [img]smile.gif[/img] said about life being dangersous, I thought I would share.

I agree that a little discipline can go a long way, but you(No, not you! )can get discipline from school, karate, work, self, ect. The military is not the only option for self-discipline, but maybe the most well-known.

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Old 01-03-2003, 04:07 PM   #35
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I think that the draft would be a good thing for america - it would force people to put their money where their mouths are. Maybe some people wouldn't be so keen about a war when it is them, their parents, their children doing the fighting and taking the bullets.
Um... draft or not, it is us, our parents, and our children who have always done the fighting and taken the bullets. [/QUOTE]Does every person in the US enter into the military?...no they don`t, unless I am misled?
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Old 01-03-2003, 04:08 PM   #36
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It has always been us, for all of history it has been us and will always be us.
Whats that supposed to mean?
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Old 01-03-2003, 04:09 PM   #37
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I think we would all be well served with a lesson on when to use the second person vs. the third person pronouns. If we Amercans were better about saying "one" this "you" stuff wouldn't be so damned confusing.

How's that for [img]graemlins/offtopic.gif[/img] ?????
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Old 01-03-2003, 04:11 PM   #38
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Does every person in the US enter into the military?...no they don`t, unless I am misled?

The us referred to is every man and woman, every human every person who has a son or daughter, when we loose one, we all loose. It is US that go to war...not in the literal sense but in the more profound and deeper sense of the word.
 
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It has always been us, for all of history it has been us and will always be us.
Whats that supposed to mean?[/QUOTE]
See my post, it isn't ment to be taken as a litteral.
 
Old 01-03-2003, 04:16 PM   #40
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Oh yeah, I know you weren't refering to me in a personal sense, but since my personal expirience summed up what you (yes, You) [img]smile.gif[/img] said about life being dangersous, I thought I would share.

I agree that a little discipline can go a long way, but you(No, not you! )can get discipline from school, karate, work, self, ect. The military is not the only option for self-discipline, but maybe the most well-known.

LoL hehe Im glad you understood the humor and didn't take offense. TL made my point quite nicely in his follow up OT rant.

You are right int hat military service is not the only place to find discipline, but the Military, the Peace Corps, some other government work program are the places where our citizens can give back tothe country and add to its foundation directly rather than just...well letting the other guy make the sacrifice. I admit, one reason I joined the Navy was because I felt it was my duty and obligation...these thoughts were mine, brought on by generations of familial tradition.....I guess it is hard for me to see and understand when others don't want to contribute in direct service if for just a short time.
 
 


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