Anyone else get sent this? Thoughts?

[250]

lookie, here, ok, I am saying "if you dont like us, then leave." is a very unproductive attitude. and you did nothing but repeating it in your post. what are you trying to prove? by repeatedly saying it over and over so that I will see the good of it? I dont think so

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[250]

ok, my bad. I see where you come from.

I am speaking that attitude in general, not just this particular thing. sometimes, when one is wrong ( yeah, some ), they like to use that attitude as last defense to their so self-righteously held opinion

sorry about 'my list' thing

[Prime2U]

Originally posted by 250: ok, my bad. I see where you come from. I am speaking that attitude in general, not just this particular thing. sometimes, when one is wrong ( yeah, some ), they like to use that attitude as last defense to their so self-righteously held opinion sorry about 'my list' thing

No worries. I figured that I was a little harsh on that post, which is why I put the parenthesis in so you'd know i didn't mean you. All I meant to say was that if I was in your country I would expect to see flags, etc. showing pride in your country, and if I was offended by that then I would be truly foolish to visit. I always respect the right of any other country to feel however they want about themselves, it's not my place to say they are wrong. And I know you realize it's not your place either from what you have said. The people who irritate me so are the ones that are OF this country but care so little about it that they think our flag might offend visitors and so lobby to have it removed. Honestly, if this was your country wouldn't this tick you off as well?


anyways 250 I wasn't in any way trying to be harsh with you, was only trying to clarify the article for you, so you have my sincere apology if you read it otherwise.


Prime

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[Yorick]

Guys, I deleted the mail (it was in my junk mail folder....)

Just cut and paste from the thread starting post. That's all I did anyway, that's why those annoying line gaps are there.



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[Nachtrafe]

Originally posted by Prime2U: hehe yeah, me too, I just tend to mumble something about the nice clean forests of Canada every now and then when PCness pisses me off in this country (not like Canada isn't even worse about it) Prime

LOL...Yeah...I've thought the very same thing. But,. since I cant stand the thought of living anywhere else, I think maybe Alaska. Fortunately, I happen to live in a state that is very conservative. So, even though PCism is a factor, its not as big of one.

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Originally posted by G'kar: Dont get mad, butI think its an un-American aditude to tell someone to leave if they wish to promote a particular constitutuional point of view like having a seperation of church and state. With regard to censoring patriotic songs and themes, It is only one way to interpret this constitutional passage IMO. I will elaborate. Seperation of church and state. The issue of the ten commandments in the court room is cut and dry, its a direct quote from the bible, works one religion in general has claimed. On the otherhand the word God has an equevilant in most every religion, and atheists/agnostics wouldnt exist as a philosophy without something to deny or disbelieve. So as a word it is fairly generic and nonoffensive in relation to patriotic songs and church. Because in and of itself the mention of god isnt placed in a church or in a religious sense. So the interpretation maybe wrong, but its from our own constitution. I defend and respect the rights of Americans to promote a political cause even if its divisive and out of the context of a fair spirit. I cant be offend by the site of the American flag, and I support the freedom for people to fly them as they please.

Well, explain the "In God we trust" on all the U.S. Currency?

When I said if you don't like it leave, I mean.. well, for instance: If you turn on the TV and see something you hate, do you A.) Keep watching it and get offended or B.) Get over it and keep on moving..

In other words, if you don't like the National Anthem, DON'T SING IT! or sing it 'your' way.. thats all I am saying. but passing LAWS changing it is, and never will happen.

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Originally posted by Ziroc: Well, explain the "In God we trust" on all the U.S. Currency? When I said if you don't like it leave, I mean.. well, for instance: If you turn on the TV and see something you hate, do you A.) Keep watching it and get offended or B.) Get over it and keep on moving.. In other words, if you don't like the National Anthem, DON'T SING IT! or sing it 'your' way.. thats all I am saying. but passing LAWS changing it is, and never will happen.

I totally dig where your coming from! It is easier to let it go or let it pass by.

Unfortunatly some people can get pretty extreme about the "love it or leave it" philosophy. It sucks when one American attacks or disrespects another because they have an alternate point of view. The divisive tone of the aforementioned article reminded me of such extremism, although from what I can tell, that wasnt the spirit it was written it.

I cant explain "In god we trust" on currency, except to postulate the idea that god is more than just a religious or church concept and is therefore exempt from constitutional seperation, but its sticky ground really.

The me the Flag Pledge wouldnt be the same if "one nation,under God" was altered or ommited. Personally, I couldn't take it as being church or religion, its just American.

[Ryanamur]

Originally posted by Yorick: In a message dated 10/18/01 1:30:42 PM, yourmiconn1 writes: << ><< > THIS SAYS IT ALL!!!!! > > If you agree, pass this onto other Americans!!

No Yorick I haven't seen it. But I do support it. It doesn't only adresses Americans concerns but also those supported by many in my country as well.



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